wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:34:28 +0100, Kevin
wrote:


Maybe the drivers should take a leaf out of the City workers and pay
themselves a few £million bonus and then get billions of tax payers
money when it goes tits up.
I for one would sooner the UK banks and financial institutions get the
British tax payers money than all the other countries in the world
who's representatives come knocking on the door of No 10 saying give
me, give me, give me .
The UK and US could probably bail out the banks and financial
institutions twice over with the stupid money they are throwing away
on Iraq and flaming Afghanistan and save the totally senseless loss of
our servicemen's lives in the process .
We should NOT have a single penny spare to give to other countries of
the world now after the billions of pounds Darling gave away during
this week but we will have of course even if means many of our own
citizens have to go bare footed and starving .
STUFF BROWN .





Britain has always been a trading nation.
Look up the Navigation Acts and The Opium Wars to see
how we made our money.

On 10 Oct, 15:02, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:37:31 -0700 (PDT), Boltar

wrote:
Their job is neither mentally or physically taxing and
apart from the odd yob with a flick knife in certain dodgy areas not
exactly dangerous either.

Cant agree with you on these points I would not go back to driving
buses for twice what drivers are getting today we used to think we

No? Well I'd do it for 60K and I bet most others would too.

where hard done by back in the sixties and seventies.With employers
like Stagecoach who have cut journey times down so much a driver
cannot keep on time without any slight hold ups a driver must be
nackered at the end of a shift . I have recently traveled on three

Oh , the poor things. Such a tough life.

B2003

Boltar wrote:
On Oct 9, 9:23 pm, wrote:
Seems to me that the GREAT Mrs Thatcher did not quite manage to do a
good enough job of eradicating this country of ****ing unions .

Agreed. Unions have had their day - they no longer fight against
inequality , now they just fight against anyone who wont give in to
their unreasonable demands. They should be outlawed and be replaced by
some sort of legal framework applicable to everyone.

B2003


That's strange! That's exactly what I think about class traitors and
Tories, that they should be outlawed and replaced with something useful.

Brian.

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:08:04 -0700 (PDT), Boltar
wrote:

No? Well I'd do it for 60K and I bet most others would too.

I certainly would. But I wouldn't do it for 20K unless there was no
other even vaguely suitable employment available.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On 12 Oct, 14:33, wrote:
having to transport the dogs to dog shows the car would go.

Yes, keep the car for those vital functions.

B2003

On 12 Oct, 12:28, Brian Robertson wrote:
That's strange! That's exactly what I think about class traitors and
Tories, that they should be outlawed and replaced with something useful.

The 1980s phoned, they want their rhetoric back.

B2003

On 10 Oct, 11:37, Boltar wrote:
On Oct 10, 10:00 am, John B wrote:

Indeed. I've never been especially convinced by the logic of "I've got
two PhDs in astrophysics and only make GBP5 per week, so
$group_of_manual_workers should starve in the gutter"...

A job should be paid on the amount of effort (either physical or
mental) or danger it entails.

A job should be paid on the end result. Valuing that result is easier
said than done though.

Hence deep sea divers are paid a lot,
scientists and soldiers should be paid a lot but arn't , bus drivers
should not. Their job is neither mentally or physically taxing and
apart from the odd yob with a flick knife in certain dodgy areas not
exactly dangerous either.

Should cycle couriers be paid a fortune?

On 12 Oct, 12:30, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:08:04 -0700 (PDT), Boltar

wrote:
No? Well I'd do it for 60K and I bet most others would too.

I certainly would. *But I wouldn't do it for 20K unless there was no
other even vaguely suitable employment available.

Many (most) people on the newsgroup have the skills to get a higher
paid job in an area of work, or the flexibility to not worry about
money vs enjoyment.

Given the skills required to drive a bus, for someone leaving school
at 16, £20k for sitting on your arse all day is a very good salary.
Likewise for anyone recently losing a job in the city and fancying a
change of pace.

For someone that's spent at least 5 years post-16, at a high cost, to
get a basic (yet useful) university education, £20k isn't that
enticing.

On 12 Oct, 19:44, wrote:
A job should be paid on the end result. Valuing that result is easier
said than done though.

What if the end result takes years to come about? Researching for some
new drug for example.

Should cycle couriers be paid a fortune?

No , because cycling is not particularly dangerous plus obviously
supply and demand comes into it. If plenty of people are willing to do
a job theres no point paying high wages. Something the bus drivers
don't seem to understand. Wouldn't surprise me if some of them get a
P45 in the post and find that Pavel and Igor are now driving their
bus.

B2003

On 12 Oct, 12:28, Brian Robertson wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On Oct 9, 9:23 pm, wrote:
Seems to me that the GREAT Mrs Thatcher did not quite manage to do a
good enough job of eradicating this country of ****ing unions .

Agreed. Unions have had their day - they no longer fight against
inequality , now they just fight against anyone who wont give in to
their unreasonable demands. They should be outlawed and be replaced by
some sort of legal framework applicable to everyone.

B2003

That's strange! That's exactly what I think about class traitors and
Tories, that they should be outlawed and replaced with something useful.

Class Traitor? Wikipedia doesn't even have an entry on it

I've got no problem with unions, but if you don't turn up for work,
you should be treated the same way whether you are in a club claiming
a "strike", or if you've got a hangover.