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On Oct 10, 10:00 am, John B wrote:
Indeed. I've never been especially convinced by the logic of "I've got two PhDs in astrophysics and only make GBP5 per week, so $group_of_manual_workers should starve in the gutter"... A job should be paid on the amount of effort (either physical or mental) or danger it entails. Hence deep sea divers are paid a lot, scientists and soldiers should be paid a lot but arn't , bus drivers should not. Their job is neither mentally or physically taxing and apart from the odd yob with a flick knife in certain dodgy areas not exactly dangerous either. B2003 |
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On 10 Oct, 11:37, Boltar wrote:
On Oct 10, 10:00 am, John B wrote: Indeed. I've never been especially convinced by the logic of "I've got two PhDs in astrophysics and only make GBP5 per week, so $group_of_manual_workers should starve in the gutter"... A job should be paid on the amount of effort (either physical or mental) or danger it entails. A job should be paid on the end result. Valuing that result is easier said than done though. Hence deep sea divers are paid a lot, scientists and soldiers should be paid a lot but arn't , bus drivers should not. Their job is neither mentally or physically taxing and apart from the odd yob with a flick knife in certain dodgy areas not exactly dangerous either. Should cycle couriers be paid a fortune? |
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On 12 Oct, 19:44, wrote:
A job should be paid on the end result. Valuing that result is easier said than done though. What if the end result takes years to come about? Researching for some new drug for example. Should cycle couriers be paid a fortune? No , because cycling is not particularly dangerous plus obviously supply and demand comes into it. If plenty of people are willing to do a job theres no point paying high wages. Something the bus drivers don't seem to understand. Wouldn't surprise me if some of them get a P45 in the post and find that Pavel and Igor are now driving their bus. B2003 |
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On 12 Oct, 20:00, Boltar wrote:
On 12 Oct, 19:44, wrote: A job should be paid on the end result. Valuing that result is easier said than done though. What if the end result takes years to come about? Researching for some new drug for example. Precisely, but assuming you could value that contribution (if 10 different people research a drug, but 9 of then turn up blanks, the one that doesn't shouldn't get paid more because they had a little luck) Should cycle couriers be paid a fortune? No , because cycling is not particularly dangerous Moreso than bus driving |
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Boltar typed, for some strange, unexplained reason: : On 12 Oct, 19:44, wrote: : A job should be paid on the end result. Valuing that result is : easier said than done though. : : What if the end result takes years to come about? Researching for some : new drug for example. : : Should cycle couriers be paid a fortune? : : No , because cycling is not particularly dangerous You've obviously never cycled in central London ;-) Ivor |
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On Oct 10, 3:02�pm, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:37:31 -0700 (PDT), Boltar wrote: Their job is neither mentally or physically taxing and apart from the odd yob with a flick knife in certain dodgy areas not exactly dangerous either. Cant agree with you on these points I would not go back to driving buses for twice what drivers are getting today we used to think we where hard done by back in the sixties and seventies.With employers like Stagecoach who have cut journey times down so much a driver cannot keep on time without any slight hold ups a driver must be nackered at the end of a shift . I have recently traveled on three routes which when I was driving I used to dread due to having to crawl at a snails pace to prevent being early at any given timing point now for the most point it is pedal to metal and they can hardly keep to time . Is that why drivers on routes 28 and 295 drive like Formula 1 drivers for most of the route, failing to stop even when passengers are standing in the road hailing them, and then when they (in case of 295) get to the Clapham Junction terminus they take a 30 to 45 minute break? Marc. |
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On 10 Oct, 15:02, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:37:31 -0700 (PDT), Boltar wrote: Their job is neither mentally or physically taxing and apart from the odd yob with a flick knife in certain dodgy areas not exactly dangerous either. Cant agree with you on these points I would not go back to driving buses for twice what drivers are getting today we used to think we No? Well I'd do it for 60K and I bet most others would too. where hard done by back in the sixties and seventies.With employers like Stagecoach who have cut journey times down so much a driver cannot keep on time without any slight hold ups a driver must be nackered at the end of a shift . I have recently traveled on three Oh , the poor things. Such a tough life. B2003 |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:08:04 -0700 (PDT), Boltar
wrote: No? Well I'd do it for 60K and I bet most others would too. I certainly would. But I wouldn't do it for 20K unless there was no other even vaguely suitable employment available. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On 12 Oct, 12:30, (Neil Williams)
wrote: On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:08:04 -0700 (PDT), Boltar wrote: No? Well I'd do it for 60K and I bet most others would too. I certainly would. *But I wouldn't do it for 20K unless there was no other even vaguely suitable employment available. Many (most) people on the newsgroup have the skills to get a higher paid job in an area of work, or the flexibility to not worry about money vs enjoyment. Given the skills required to drive a bus, for someone leaving school at 16, £20k for sitting on your arse all day is a very good salary. Likewise for anyone recently losing a job in the city and fancying a change of pace. For someone that's spent at least 5 years post-16, at a high cost, to get a basic (yet useful) university education, £20k isn't that enticing. |
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On 12 Oct, 14:33, wrote:
having to transport the dogs to dog shows the car would go. Yes, keep the car for those vital functions. B2003 |
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