Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:10:03 +0100, Stephen Farrow
wrote:

It's already £80 on Metrolink in Manchester.

With a discount for prompt payment, I presume? Good. It should be
set at that kind of level (as the amounts concerned are similar to
parking offences), but equally come with decriminalisation of fare
dodging so the Penalty Fare doesn't just exist to penalise those
making a mistake.

Metrolink call it a "Standard Fare", with levels as follows:

1st Offence: £10 on the spot, £15 within 21 days
2nd Offence: £20 on the spot, £30 within 21 days
3rd Offence: £40 on the spot, £60 within 21 days
4th Offence: £80 on the spot or prosecution

The figures above are based on a rolling 12 month period.

So if, for example:

1. You get stopped by a Metrolink revenue inspector on 31st October
and no other offence is committed for a full twelve months, you will
return to a clean record.

2. You get stopped by a Metrolink revenue inspector on 31st October
and then again on the 3rd November in the same year you will be at the
2nd offence level and this will remain with you for a full twelve months
before returning to a clean record.

Cheers,

Barry

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:43:20 +0100, Barry Salter
wrote:

4th Offence: £80 on the spot or prosecution

Given that most people don't carry £80 in their wallet, do they march
you to a cashpoint?

Neil

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On 15 Oct, 06:30, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:43:20 +0100, Barry Salter

wrote:
4th Offence: £80 on the spot or prosecution

Given that most people don't carry £80 in their wallet, do they march
you to a cashpoint?

Perhaps a debit card?

What's to stop you from giving a false name and paying £10 cash?

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:13:05 +0100, Paul Weaver wrote

4th Offence: £80 on the spot or prosecution

Given that most people don't carry £80 in their wallet, do they march
you to a cashpoint?

Perhaps a debit card?

Many people don't carry them.

On 15 Oct, 10:19, Stimpy wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:13:05 +0100, Paul Weaver wrote



4th Offence: £80 on the spot or prosecution

Given that most people don't carry £80 in their wallet, do they march
you to a cashpoint?

Perhaps a debit card?

Many people don't carry them.

Many people don't have £80.

On 30 Oct, 09:43, DavidCh0 wrote:

Many people don't have £80.

I assume they will be prosecuted, then. If they can't afford the
"time", they shouldn't do the crime.

Neil

On Oct 30, 9:58*am, Neil Williams wrote:
On 30 Oct, 09:43, DavidCh0 wrote:

Many people don't have £80.

I assume they will be prosecuted, then. *If they can't afford the
"time", they shouldn't do the crime.

Neil

If they are thought to be evading their fare, they should be
prosecuted full stop. Lesser on-the-spot fines, penalty fares etc are
all inappropriate in every situation.

They only make sense if one assumes that the authorities don't really
care about fare-evasion, but want to find a way of getting a bit of
extra cash from a set of passengers which partly overlaps with the
fare-evaders.