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Roland Perry October 18th 08 06:52 AM

Fare Evasion
 
In message , at 23:53:07 on Fri, 17
Oct 2008, tim..... remarked:
Is there a rule against having someone collect a replacement, if yours is
lost or needs renewing?


It's not really going to be covered by a "rule", more like a "procedure"
that is used for everyone.

The procedure "is what it is", and I think it unlikely that it will be
"someone collects it at a date/place different to the lodging of the
application" as that is not going to be convenient for many people.


For many people it will be convenient for someone else to collect a
replacement for a lost pass - saving them the trip. Just like I often
buy railway tickets for my wife because I happen to be passing the
station, and she then doesn't have to queue up on the day of travel.
--
Roland Perry

tim..... October 18th 08 10:54 AM

Fare Evasion
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 23:53:07 on Fri, 17 Oct
2008, tim..... remarked:
Is there a rule against having someone collect a replacement, if yours
is
lost or needs renewing?


It's not really going to be covered by a "rule", more like a "procedure"
that is used for everyone.

The procedure "is what it is", and I think it unlikely that it will be
"someone collects it at a date/place different to the lodging of the
application" as that is not going to be convenient for many people.


For many people it will be convenient for someone else to collect a
replacement for a lost pass - saving them the trip


But not for everybody.

My point is that there doesn't need to be a second trip.

If the pass isn't issued over the counter during the first trip (at which
personal attendance is compulsory), it can (and IMHO should) be posted to
the intended recipient

tim




Helen Deborah Vecht October 18th 08 11:24 AM

Fare Evasion
 
"tim....." typed



"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 22:34:06 on Thu,
16 Oct
2008, tim..... remarked:
You're going to have to come up with a convincing reason why you "just
happened" to have someone else's freedom pass in you pocket in the first
place.

Personally, I can't think of a reason I would believe if I were the jury


Depends who the Freedom Pass belonged to, and why he had it. If it
was his
wife's and had picked it up from the council office that day


Never having had one, I have no idea if it works this way, but somehow I
doubt it.


tim




You get a letter from the Council and take it with two IDs to a Post
Office in the same London Borough, in person....

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Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

Helen Deborah Vecht October 18th 08 11:25 AM

Fare Evasion
 
Roland Perry typed


In message , at 17:38:50 on Fri, 17
Oct 2008, tim..... remarked:
You think there is a rule that says you always have to pick them up in
person?


From the website:

Q. Can someone go on my behalf to apply for the freedom pass?

A. No, you must apply in person. See How to apply for a freedom pass.


That is applying. I'm talking about picking it (or a replacement) up.


You get thosee from a Post Office too...

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Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

Helen Deborah Vecht October 18th 08 11:28 AM

Fare Evasion
 
"Paul Scott" typed



"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...



I read a similar story a few years ago in this very newsgroup. I didn't
believe the OP ?Michelle? then and I certainly don't believe the OP here
now.


Pull the other one, it's got bells on!


This is it, google found it:


"On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:40:20 +0000, Michelle wrote:"


Remarkably similar - both spell 'recieved' the same anyway... :-)


Paul


Good to see my memory has not yet failed...

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Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

reea October 18th 08 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (Post 82740)
Sounds like an open and shut case to me. Your best bet would be to
get down to your local citizens advice bureau and get some legal
advice but i dont fancy your chances of getting off. If the reason
that the first journey was on an oyster was that is was before the
freedom pass was valid then you would have no chance !

What do you mean by an open and shut case? It was my fathers oyester card which he happend to misplace and I found and held onto it until I would see him next. It was a genuine error. The first journey was when the freedom pass was actually valid - so there is no ambiguity there.

Can anyone advise if I should use a solicitor?

reea October 18th 08 12:00 PM

The reason for having the freedom pas in my possession was that my father had misplaced it and for safekeep I held onto it. Possibly best if I just left it in a safe place instead on having it in my possession. i wouldn't be in such a mess right now.

reea October 18th 08 12:05 PM


The reason for having it on me is that my father misplaced the card. SInce having a stroke 6 months ago he has become very forgetful. I found it and held onto it until I would see him next. It was a very simple mistake which has got me into a very bad situation. This could jeoparidse my career - and I fear for this happening.

reea October 18th 08 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reg M (Post 82750)
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:15:13 +0100, reea
wrote:


I was caught using someone elses freedom pass in error instead of my own
oyster on London Underground. My details were taken but I wasn't given
an on the spot fine. i have only just recieved a summons. I used the
freedom pass in error, I happend to be carrying it on the day and used
the freedom pass instead of my own oyster card. I have a record on my
oyster card that on the first leg of my journey i used my oyster card -
the revenue inspector was not interested. The statement he has put
together is slightly inaccurate also. I am due in court in 4 weeks and
haven't a clue what to do. I have read many forums and some people are
saying to plead guilty to get a lighter fine. I'm not concerned about
the fine but the criminal record that may be attached to this event. I
also read that it could be an idea to call the prosecution manager and
to and plead an out of court settlement - is this something anyone
would recommend. Is it worth hiring a solicitor or should I represent
myself. It was a genuine error and I do not want to receive a criminal
record because of it. Can someone advise if found guilty and fined that
also means you get a criminal record? Or you can escape a criminal
record with just a fine. I am very muddled and I don't know what to
do, I'm absolutely terrified of what is going to happen. Any answers or
advice would be appreciated. Thanks.


There are a couple of newsgroups, uk.legal.moderated and uk.legal
which may give some advice. I think the suggestion to go to the
Citizens Advice is good. Mistakes happen, just stick to the truth,
don't embellish on it and maybe the court will accept your story.

Thanks reg-m.

Roland Perry October 18th 08 01:30 PM

Fare Evasion
 
In message , at 11:54:13 on Sat, 18
Oct 2008, tim..... remarked:
For many people it will be convenient for someone else to collect a
replacement for a lost pass - saving them the trip


But not for everybody.


It only takes one person for whom it's more convenient, for it to be a
plausible scenario.

My point is that there doesn't need to be a second trip.

If the pass isn't issued over the counter during the first trip (at which
personal attendance is compulsory), it can (and IMHO should) be posted to
the intended recipient


So you are suggesting that there either isn't, or shouldn't be, any
system to allow the collection of a replacement pass?

Maybe you can look at the relevant websites to see what the situation is
- the possibility doesn't of itself rule it out for me.
--
Roland Perry


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