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Thameslink KO0 at Kentish Town
On Nov 18, 2:32*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"D7666" wrote I was under the impression that a side effect of the SL RUS suggesting (for good reasons IMHO) Wimbledon loop be decoupled from Thameslink was diversion to other lines where 8car length limits (such as around all of the Wimbledon loop) would be less of a problem. The South Central Metro services supposedly have their own 10car extension scheme although I'm not sure to what timescale and already most if not all of Kent suburban is already 10car (I accept the access route between Kent *via Elephant to *Thameslink core is not 10car). It's only the ex-SER lines (Charing Cross and Cannon Street) of Kent Suburban that are 10-car (implemented in the 1950s), and many platforms were extended to 12-car when it was intended (and may be again, on some routes) that Networkers would run in 12-car formation. The ex-LCDR lines (Victoria and Blackfriars) have always remained 8-car, with the only longer platforms being at a few stations at which main line trains call - from memory, Herne Hill, Beckenham Junction, Shortlands, Bromley South, St Mary Cray and Swanley. IIRC Bat and Ball is only about 5-car length - how is this managed with longer trains? According to Quail it's 8, but the southern edition must be long overdue for an update. Haven't been there for about fifteen years. |
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MIG wrote:
On Nov 18, 2:32 pm, "Peter Masson" wrote: "D7666" wrote I was under the impression that a side effect of the SL RUS suggesting (for good reasons IMHO) Wimbledon loop be decoupled from Thameslink was diversion to other lines where 8car length limits (such as around all of the Wimbledon loop) would be less of a problem. The South Central Metro services supposedly have their own 10car extension scheme although I'm not sure to what timescale and already most if not all of Kent suburban is already 10car (I accept the access route between Kent via Elephant to Thameslink core is not 10car). It's only the ex-SER lines (Charing Cross and Cannon Street) of Kent Suburban that are 10-car (implemented in the 1950s), and many platforms were extended to 12-car when it was intended (and may be again, on some routes) that Networkers would run in 12-car formation. The ex-LCDR lines (Victoria and Blackfriars) have always remained 8-car, with the only longer platforms being at a few stations at which main line trains call - from memory, Herne Hill, Beckenham Junction, Shortlands, Bromley South, St Mary Cray and Swanley. IIRC Bat and Ball is only about 5-car length - how is this managed with longer trains? According to Quail it's 8, but the southern edition must be long overdue for an update. Haven't been there for about fifteen years. Well, back in the mid 80's, during that relatively short period when TL ran from Sevenoaks, I used to travel fairly often from Crofton Park to Sevenoaks, and as the person I went to see was about equidistant from Bat & Ball and Sevenoaks I sometimes used to get off there. Now I cannot remember how long the trains were, 8 or 4 cars, but the announcement for Bat & Ball was "Passengers for Bat & Ball should travel in the first 2 or 4 carriages only, it was a very short platform. Sorry I cannot be any more specific. -- Martin replies to newsgroup only please. |
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On Nov 18, 9:08 pm, Martin Smith wrote:
Well, back in the mid 80's, during that relatively short period when TL ran from Sevenoaks, pedant Late 1980s. TL to Sevenoaks did not start until May 1988 timetable. In fact, TL did not start at all until then. /pedant -- Nick |
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On Nov 18, 9:50*pm, D7666 wrote:
On Nov 18, 9:08 pm, Martin Smith wrote: Well, back in the mid 80's, during that relatively short period when TL ran from Sevenoaks, pedant Late 1980s. TL to Sevenoaks did not start until May 1988 timetable. In fact, TL did not start at all until then. /pedant -- Nick The Quail is dated 2002, long ago, but long after we seem to have been there. |
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D7666 wrote:
On Nov 18, 9:08 pm, Martin Smith wrote: Well, back in the mid 80's, during that relatively short period when TL ran from Sevenoaks, pedant Late 1980s. TL to Sevenoaks did not start until May 1988 timetable. In fact, TL did not start at all until then. /pedant Sorry about that, memory not as good as it used to be -- Martin replies to newsgroup only please. |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:08:05 +0000, Martin Smith
wrote: Well, back in the mid 80's, during that relatively short period when TL ran from Sevenoaks, I used to travel fairly often from Crofton Park to Sevenoaks, and as the person I went to see was about equidistant from Bat & Ball and Sevenoaks I sometimes used to get off there. Now I cannot remember how long the trains were, 8 or 4 cars, but the announcement for Bat & Ball was "Passengers for Bat & Ball should travel in the first 2 or 4 carriages only, it was a very short platform. Sorry I cannot be any more specific. Not that short. You could fit 6 EPB onto the up, and 5 onto the down. It never seemed to be a problem. -- Bill Hayles http://www.rossrail.com |
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Thameslink KO0 at Kentish Town
MIG wrote:
According to Quail it's 8, but the southern edition must be long overdue for an update. Imminent - http://www.trackmaps.co.uk/news.htm JP |
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On Nov 19, 8:20*am, Johannes Patruus wrote:
MIG wrote: According to Quail it's 8, but the southern edition must be long overdue for an update. Imminent -http://www.trackmaps.co.uk/news.htm JP Excellent. That's Christmas sorted for the whole family. |
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