In message , Depresion
writes
it makes life easier for the few people who drive buses and screws
up traffic for far more people.
Correct, in the little town where I live, on a main road is a bus stop
and right opposite it is an island in the middle of the road so that
when the bus stops all traffic behind is held up, not even a cyclist
could get through.
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Clive

On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:31:28 -0000, Depresion put finger to keyboard
and typed:


"David Hansen" wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:06:35 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion"
127.0.0.1 wrote this:-

There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that
are
100% out of traffic flow

Bus companies don't install bus stops.

Then they don't get to stop. It's about time they started paying there way.

Unless it's a "no loading" area, a bus can stop wherever it wants to,
just like any car can. Bus stops are provided by the council for the
convenience of passengers, and bus companies use them because there's
no reason not to.

If the council didn't provide bus stops, the buses would just stop
wherever was convenient for them.

Mark
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glory grow young"
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David Hansen wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be
wrote this:-

I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I
have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is
this strictly speaking legal.

Yes.

They load up then wait for about a
minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. [snip]

It would be better if they just kept on going.

Tell that to passengers who miss the bus because it is running
early.

You cut the important point of 'If they get to their
destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than
hogging the road for no good reason', you nob.

On 4 Dec, 21:07, Peter Heather wrote:
On Dec 4, 3:11*pm, David Hansen
wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be
wrote this:-

I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I
have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. *Is
this strictly speaking legal.

Yes.

Actually, the answer could well be NO. It depends on the wording in
the traffic order, assuming that there is an order in force and that
there are yellow or red lines on the road at that point. Some, but not
all, traffic orders state that a bus can stop to pick up or set down
passengers at a stop, but there could well be no provision to wait at
that point beyond doing so. Also, if there is no reference to a bus
stop in the order, then a bus has no more right than any other vehicle
to wait on a restricted stretch of road. I've known over-enthusiastic
parking attendants in at least one nameless Inner London borough to
ticket buses while they stood at a stop with no passengers in sight.

Almost every day I see at least one bus "broken down" at a bus stop,
doors closed, driver reading the paper, hazards flashing away.

Buses must be very unreliable

Paul Weaver wrote:
On 4 Dec, 21:07, Peter Heather wrote:
On Dec 4, 3:11 pm, David Hansen
wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be
wrote this:-

I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but
recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at
bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal.

Yes.

Actually, the answer could well be NO. It depends on the wording in
the traffic order, assuming that there is an order in force and that
there are yellow or red lines on the road at that point. Some, but
not all, traffic orders state that a bus can stop to pick up or set
down passengers at a stop, but there could well be no provision to
wait at that point beyond doing so. Also, if there is no reference
to a bus stop in the order, then a bus has no more right than any
other vehicle to wait on a restricted stretch of road. I've known
over-enthusiastic parking attendants in at least one nameless Inner
London borough to ticket buses while they stood at a stop with no
passengers in sight.

Almost every day I see at least one bus "broken down" at a bus stop,
doors closed, driver reading the paper, hazards flashing away.

Buses must be very unreliable

Are you certain that it's broken down?

"Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote ...
Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a
stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or
alternative locations to use
Then they don't get to stop and traffic can flow again. Good solution.

Troll-o-meter score = 2

*plonk*

On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:16:13 +0000 someone who may be Abo
wrote this:-

It would be better if they just kept on going.

Tell that to passengers who miss the bus because it is running
early.

You cut the important point of 'If they get to their
destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than
hogging the road for no good reason',

The waiting passengers will not get to their destination early if
they miss the bus.

As for the bus itself, even on a reserved road it is not possible to
ensure that trains always arrive everywhere on time. All sorts of
factors may influence this, including how many passengers there are.
On a general access road it is even more unlikely that a bus will
arrive everywhere on time. The best solution to this is to have
timing points, as has already been explained.

you nob.

Excellent, personal abuse. Usually the resort of those with no
better arguments. Do keep making a fool of yourself in this way, if
you want to.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:30:53 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion"
127.0.0.1 wrote this:-

There are a number of reasons for exterminating bus laybys, from
widening a former narrow part of the pavement, through allowing the
driver to pull away as soon as everyone is off/on to making sure bus
and bus boarder align in order to make life easier for everyone

Incorrect, it makes life easier for the few people who drive buses and screws
up traffic for far more people.

Yawn. I'll add the words I typed back in, the words after,
"everyone". "but particularly those with mobility problems."

Nice try.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:29:15 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion"
127.0.0.1 wrote this:-

Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a
stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or
alternative locations to use

Then they don't get to stop and traffic can flow again. Good solution.

(Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of
delays to traffic is motorists in cars. There are so many of them
that they clog roads in towns. After that delays are caused by
things like road junctions, though these are really a manifestation
of too many motorists.

There are two ways to solve congestion. The first way to do this
only works for a while, knock everything down and expand into the
countryside. Where this has been tried it has only worked for a
while before congestion rose again. Los Angeles is a good example.

The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to
walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is
to make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more
attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and
bus boarders in the space the layby used to take up. Not only does
it work but it is better for everyone, despite the whining of a
small but vocal minority.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

David Hansen gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

(Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of delays
to traffic is motorists in cars.

ITYM "traffic"

The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to
walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is to
make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more
attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and bus
boarders in the space the layby used to take up.

Deliberately introducing delays to traffic benefits buses, how? After
all, those self-same buses will be delayed by that traffic, since they're
PART OF THE TRAFFIC, using those same roads and junctions.