On Dec 14, 5:58*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:13:10 on
Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Paul Scott remarked:

As I've suggested before it isn't just the gating question - the main issue
with PAYG on a large network with maximum peak single fares priced
approaching £50, is what amount does a prepay user need on his card, and
what initial deduction does the system make, comparable with TfL's £4.00
'entry charge'?

All those who think joint ITSO/Oyster prepay can be simply 'switched on' on
mainline TOCs please explain...

For making a journey where you properly touch-in and touch-out, the
answer is simple. Use one of the combined Barclaycard/Oyster cards where
the traveller has a significant credit limit via the Barclaycard
element, which can be invoked when they touch out.

For unresolved journeys, there's a much bigger problem, even for people
with hundreds of pounds of cash on an Oyster. If someone touches-in in
London, do we now have to assume they failed to touch-out in Glasgow?

More importantly, will the single fare for a one-mile journey in
London be increased to the price of a first class open Single from
Penzance to Thurso for anyone paying by cash?

And if not, why not? If it's not justifiable, then neither are the
current LU cash fares.

On 14 Dec, 18:58, MIG wrote:

On Dec 14, 5:58*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 12:13:10 on
Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Paul Scott remarked:

As I've suggested before it isn't just the gating question - the main issue
with PAYG on a large network with maximum peak single fares priced
approaching £50, is what amount does a prepay user need on his card, and
what initial deduction does the system make, comparable with TfL's £4.00
'entry charge'?

All those who think joint ITSO/Oyster prepay can be simply 'switched on' on
mainline TOCs please explain...

For making a journey where you properly touch-in and touch-out, the
answer is simple. Use one of the combined Barclaycard/Oyster cards where
the traveller has a significant credit limit via the Barclaycard
element, which can be invoked when they touch out.

For unresolved journeys, there's a much bigger problem, even for people
with hundreds of pounds of cash on an Oyster. If someone touches-in in
London, do we now have to assume they failed to touch-out in Glasgow?

More importantly, will the single fare for a one-mile journey in
London be increased to the price of a first class open Single from
Penzance to Thurso for anyone paying by cash?

And if not, why not? *If it's not justifiable, then neither are the
current LU cash fares.


That doesn't follow, though I understand the position where you're
coming from.

On Dec 14, 7:34*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 14 Dec, 18:58, MIG wrote:





On Dec 14, 5:58*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 12:13:10 on
Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Paul Scott remarked:

As I've suggested before it isn't just the gating question - the main issue
with PAYG on a large network with maximum peak single fares priced
approaching £50, is what amount does a prepay user need on his card, and
what initial deduction does the system make, comparable with TfL's £4.00
'entry charge'?

All those who think joint ITSO/Oyster prepay can be simply 'switched on' on
mainline TOCs please explain...

For making a journey where you properly touch-in and touch-out, the
answer is simple. Use one of the combined Barclaycard/Oyster cards where
the traveller has a significant credit limit via the Barclaycard
element, which can be invoked when they touch out.

For unresolved journeys, there's a much bigger problem, even for people
with hundreds of pounds of cash on an Oyster. If someone touches-in in
London, do we now have to assume they failed to touch-out in Glasgow?

More importantly, will the single fare for a one-mile journey in
London be increased to the price of a first class open Single from
Penzance to Thurso for anyone paying by cash?

And if not, why not? *If it's not justifiable, then neither are the
current LU cash fares.

That doesn't follow, though I understand the position where you're
coming from.

I realise that I got it a bit wrong. What I should have said was,
will the fare from London Bridge to Greenwich be reduced from £359 to
£2 if you use the smartcard ...? (Current anytime single £2.30.)