gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Does anybody here seriously think that a new bus will be allowed with
open rear deck.

I sincerely hope so.

On 20 Dec, 20:24, Adrian wrote:
gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Does anybody here seriously think that a new bus will be allowed with
open rear deck.

I sincerely hope so.

An open platform may make sense in Oxford Street where the speeds of
traffic are pretty slow but really anywhere else it is simply
dangerous - the only justification of an open platform is so that
people can get on and off at places which aren't bus stops - is there
any other?. Mind you, Oxford Street is the only place I saw a
potential boarder fall backwards off a Routemaster into the gutter
when they missed a bus moving off.

On the Railways, people try to open doors on Mark III carriages when
the central locking has been applied even when they are told to stop
by platform staff. On the Tube, people try to get tube doors open
with the slightest opening jamming themselves in. You can't tell me
that people won't try to board moving buses that they have just missed
and that is dangerous.

No amount of education will change public nature.

Jonathan

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() wrote:

On 20 Dec, 20:24, Adrian wrote:
gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Does anybody here seriously think that a new bus will be allowed
with open rear deck.

I sincerely hope so.

An open platform may make sense in Oxford Street where the speeds of
traffic are pretty slow but really anywhere else it is simply
dangerous - the only justification of an open platform is so that
people can get on and off at places which aren't bus stops - is there
any other?. Mind you, Oxford Street is the only place I saw a
potential boarder fall backwards off a Routemaster into the gutter
when they missed a bus moving off.

On the Railways, people try to open doors on Mark III carriages when
the central locking has been applied even when they are told to stop
by platform staff. On the Tube, people try to get tube doors open
with the slightest opening jamming themselves in. You can't tell me
that people won't try to board moving buses that they have just missed
and that is dangerous.

No amount of education will change public nature.

It's up to individuals to look after themselves to that extent. We have
enough of a nanny state as it is!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Does anybody here seriously think that a new bus will be allowed with
open rear deck.

I sincerely hope so.

An open platform may make sense in Oxford Street where the speeds of
traffic are pretty slow but really anywhere else it is simply dangerous
- the only justification of an open platform is so that people can get
on and off at places which aren't bus stops - is there any other?.

Does there need to be? Isn't that compelling enough already?

Mind you, Oxford Street is the only place I saw a potential boarder fall
backwards off a Routemaster into the gutter when they missed a bus
moving off.

****ed, was he?

On the Railways, people try to open doors on Mark III carriages when the
central locking has been applied even when they are told to stop by
platform staff. On the Tube, people try to get tube doors open with the
slightest opening jamming themselves in. You can't tell me that people
won't try to board moving buses that they have just missed and that is
dangerous.

Trains don't have platforms just outside them when they're stationary at
signals.

No amount of education will change public nature.

Nor should it attempt to.

On 21 Dec, 07:51, Adrian wrote:

gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

(snip)

No amount of education will change public nature.

Nor should it attempt to.

So all those 'no-spitting' campaigns of old - of which notices to that
effect appeared on Routemaster buses amongst other places - shouldn't
have occurred, despite the fact that spitting in public is rather less
common than it once was.(especially in places that aren't actually the
street).

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,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On 21 Dec, 07:51, Adrian wrote:

gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

(snip)

No amount of education will change public nature.

Nor should it attempt to.

So all those 'no-spitting' campaigns of old - of which notices to that
effect appeared on Routemaster buses amongst other places - shouldn't
have occurred, despite the fact that spitting in public is rather less
common than it once was.(especially in places that aren't actually the
street).

When were these campaigns? I don't remember any when the Routemasters were
newer. I would have done so too because I remember the "Défense de
cracher" signs in Paris transport.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 21 Dec, 07:51, Adrian wrote:
gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Does anybody here seriously think that a new bus will be allowed with
open rear deck.
I sincerely hope so.
An open platform may make sense in Oxford Street where the speeds of
traffic are pretty slow but really anywhere else it is simply dangerous
- the only justification of an open platform is so that people can get
on and off at places which aren't bus stops - is there any other?.

Does there need to be? Isn't that compelling enough already?


It's about as compelling as saying that you should be able to park
your car absolutely anywhere regardless of the effect on traffice. If
it was the right way to proceed there wouldn't be rules against
drivers opening the doors on conventional buses when they aren't at
stops.

Mind you, Oxford Street is the only place I saw a potential boarder fall
backwards off a Routemaster into the gutter when they missed a bus
moving off.

****ed, was he?

Not at all. It was an apparently sober female shopper carrying
shopping bags who went to board a bus moving off at Oxford Circus and
didn't make it. Are you trying to suggest that only drunk people run
for buses and miss them?

On Dec 21, 1:07*pm, wrote:
On 21 Dec, 07:51, Adrian wrote:

gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Does anybody here seriously think that a new bus will be allowed with
open rear deck.
I sincerely hope so.
An open platform may make sense in Oxford Street where the speeds of
traffic are pretty slow but really anywhere else it is simply dangerous
- the only justification of an open platform is so that people can get
on and off at places which aren't bus stops - is there any other?.

Does there need to be? Isn't that compelling enough already?

It's about as compelling as saying that you should be able to park
your car absolutely anywhere regardless of the effect on traffice. *If
it was the right way to proceed there wouldn't be rules against
drivers opening the doors on conventional buses when they aren't at
stops.

Mind you, Oxford Street is the only place I saw a potential boarder fall
backwards off a Routemaster into the gutter when they missed a bus
moving off.

****ed, was he?

Not at all. *It was an apparently sober female shopper carrying
shopping bags who went to board a bus moving off at Oxford Circus and
didn't make it. *Are you trying to suggest that only drunk people run
for buses and miss them?

I expect that open platforms would be a far greater risk nowadays,
with drivers effectively required to avoid letting people get on or
off in order to keep to timings (and all stops being request stops
now).

On 21 Dec, 13:23, MIG wrote:

(snip)

I expect that open platforms would be a far greater risk nowadays,
with drivers effectively required to avoid letting people get on or
off in order to keep to timings (and all stops being request stops
now).

Are all stops request stops now? I know there was a consultation on
this (to which I didn't respond, grrr) but is this now official
policy, or just your interpretation of what happens in reality?

On Dec 21, 2:13*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 21 Dec, 13:23, MIG wrote:



(snip)

I expect that open platforms would be a far greater risk nowadays,
with drivers effectively required to avoid letting people get on or
off in order to keep to timings (and all stops being request stops
now).

Are all stops request stops now? I know there was a consultation on
this (to which I didn't respond, grrr) but is this now official
policy, or just your interpretation of what happens in reality?

That's an interesting point ... firstly, yes I was referring
facetiously to what is effectively the situation now (having been
whisked past a white-coloured stop at Trafalgar Square in the rush
hour when I was standing by the door, plus other examples, I am in no
doubt).

But the thing about the proposal was that drivers would have to stop
at all stops if there was someone there, even current request stops,
so they'd probably end up stopping much more than they currently do.