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I see the rapist minicab driver is still white ... has Boris sacked any of
Ken's racist Labour cronies since he took office at all?

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John Rowland wrote:
I see the rapist minicab driver is still white ... has Boris sacked any of
Ken's racist Labour cronies since he took office at all?



"I do very much regret any offence caused by any past newspaper
articles. It really was never my intention to cause offence, but to
provoke debate. The articles, which I deeply regret writing, also don't
give a fair reflection of my views. I want to make clear that I am
emphatically not anti-immigration and can produce many quotes from my
writings in praise of immigration. Indeed, as I wrote in 2002.

"I believe that immigration, in getting cultures to mix and learn from
each other, in letting people better their lives in a country of their
own choice and helping them escape persecution, can be an enormously
powerful and positive force for good. Immigration has undoubtedly
enriched Britain over the centuries."

I have repeatedly publicly condemned racism, and those who espouse
racism. Over a year ago I wrote in the Spectator.:

"The Left was definitely right on basic moral issues, particularly on
promoting tolerance whether it be gay rights, women's rights or
combating racism."

I want to assure you that my policy advice to the mayor will be based on
the following principles: support for diversity, opposition to racism
and other forms of discrimination, support for immigrants and immigrant
communities, and support for equality of opportunity. I invite you to
judge me by these standards, not by what I may have written some years
in the past."

That was Anthony Browne, Boris Johnson's Policy Director, writing
recently to apologise to Labour's Jennette Arnold after she highlighted
some unpleasant hack journalism he'd written prior to his appointment.

It's got bugger all to do with transport though, hasn't it, John?

Tom

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On 22 Dec, 23:42, "John Rowland"
wrote:
I see the rapist minicab driver is still white ... has Boris sacked any of
Ken's racist Labour cronies since he took office at all?

This is nonsense John.

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On Dec 22, 11:42*pm, "John Rowland"
wrote:
I see the rapist minicab driver is still white ... has Boris sacked any of
Ken's racist Labour cronies since he took office at all?

"Black men are rapists" is a very unpleasant racial stereotype that
still, sadly, exists in real life. "White men are rapists" is not.
Therefore, picking a white man for your anti-rape poster has no dodgy
connotations at all, whereas picking a black man for said poster
utterly does.

(I suppose they could pick an Asian man, but given that the majority
of men in London are white that'd be a bit odd. If the same campaign
were run in India, it'd clearly be appropriate to show an Indian man
rather than a white man or a black man...)

Are you a) actually incapable of thinking the above through; b)
unaware that racists traditionally stereotype black men as rapists; or
c) a racist who stereotypes black men as rapists? Because I can't see
any other explanation for why you'd even find this controversial...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On Dec 23, 12:48 pm, John B wrote:
"Black men are rapists" is a very unpleasant racial stereotype that
still, sadly, exists in real life. "White men are rapists" is not.
Therefore, picking a white man for your anti-rape poster has no dodgy
connotations at all, whereas picking a black man for said poster
utterly does.

You do spout a load of ******** sometimes. I suppose only black guys
should portray paedophiles then and only white guys drug dealers?

B2003

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:03:29 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 23, 12:48 pm, John B wrote:
"Black men are rapists" is a very unpleasant racial stereotype that
still, sadly, exists in real life. "White men are rapists" is not.
Therefore, picking a white man for your anti-rape poster has no dodgy
connotations at all, whereas picking a black man for said poster
utterly does.

You do spout a load of ******** sometimes.

For Christmas I shall be getting a new irony detector. My old one just
broke.

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On Dec 24, 10:48 am, James Farrar wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:03:29 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 23, 12:48 pm, John B wrote:
"Black men are rapists" is a very unpleasant racial stereotype that
still, sadly, exists in real life. "White men are rapists" is not.
Therefore, picking a white man for your anti-rape poster has no dodgy
connotations at all, whereas picking a black man for said poster
utterly does.

You do spout a load of ******** sometimes.

For Christmas I shall be getting a new irony detector. My old one just
broke.

Look out Ponsonby, the cheap seats are getting a bit lairy, must be
the christmas brandy.

B2003

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:48:17 -0800 (PST), John B wrote:

I see the rapist minicab driver is still white ... has Boris sacked any of
Ken's racist Labour cronies since he took office at all?

Are you a) actually incapable of thinking the above through; b)
unaware that racists traditionally stereotype black men as rapists; or
c) a racist who stereotypes black men as rapists? Because I can't see
any other explanation for why you'd even find this controversial...

The reason this is controversial is that almost everyone depicted in
TfL's publicity is black or Asian, *except* when they are some sort of
criminal (fare dodger, rapist, etc) in which case they are invariably
white.

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asdf wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:48:17 -0800 (PST), John B wrote:

I see the rapist minicab driver is still white ... has Boris sacked
any of Ken's racist Labour cronies since he took office at all?

Are you a) actually incapable of thinking the above through; b)
unaware that racists traditionally stereotype black men as rapists;
or c) a racist who stereotypes black men as rapists? Because I can't
see any other explanation for why you'd even find this
controversial...

The reason this is controversial is that almost everyone depicted in
TfL's publicity is black or Asian, *except* when they are some sort of
criminal (fare dodger, rapist, etc) in which case they are invariably
white.

Thank you. Nice to see I'm not the only one still awake.

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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, John Rowland wrote:

asdf wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:48:17 -0800 (PST), John B wrote:

I see the rapist minicab driver is still white ... has Boris sacked
any of Ken's racist Labour cronies since he took office at all?

Are you a) actually incapable of thinking the above through; b)
unaware that racists traditionally stereotype black men as rapists;
or c) a racist who stereotypes black men as rapists? Because I can't
see any other explanation for why you'd even find this
controversial...

The reason this is controversial is that almost everyone depicted in
TfL's publicity is black or Asian, *except* when they are some sort of
criminal (fare dodger, rapist, etc) in which case they are invariably
white.

Thank you. Nice to see I'm not the only one still awake.

I don't deny that this is the case (i haven't checked - it might be, it
might not be), can i put my hand up as a white man and say i don't give
the slightest resemblance of a toss about this?

I'm happy for TfL (and the Department for Education and Whatever, in some
similar stock photo selection bias that my teacher aunt pointed out to me
over christmas) to stereotype me and my white brethren as any combination
of rapists, racists, or taxi drivers if they like, because it doesn't
actually make the blindest bit of difference to anything that actually
matters. We're not a group that's on the receiving end of discrimination -
nothing that actually does any harm, anyway. Black people are. They need
some gentle treatment in these matters. We don't.

tom

--
Would you like to remember more?

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On Dec 27, 3:26*pm, asdf wrote:
I see the rapist minicab driver is still white ... has Boris sacked any of
Ken's racist Labour cronies since he took office at all?

Are you a) actually incapable of thinking the above through; b)
unaware that racists traditionally stereotype black men as rapists; or
c) a racist who stereotypes black men as rapists? Because I can't see
any other explanation for why you'd even find this controversial...

The reason this is controversial is that almost everyone depicted in
TfL's publicity is black or Asian, *except* when they are some sort of
criminal (fare dodger, rapist, etc) in which case they are invariably
white.

But that's absolute rubbish. Look at all these:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sit...uk+leaflet+pdf

....OK, the newsagent in the Oyster leaflet is either Asian or southern
European, but every other leaflet that has recognisable people in it
has large numbers of recognisable white people. And none of the ones
on the first 3 or 4 pages of the search are about criminals/fare
dodgers, either.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On Dec 27, 6:04 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
matters. We're not a group that's on the receiving end of discrimination -
nothing that actually does any harm, anyway. Black people are.

Since when? When was the last time you heard of a black guy being
beaten up by the NF? The black community seems quite content to
implode all on its own with the number of shootings and stabbings
going on. And before you mention any BS about them being descriminated
against in the workforce which is why there are so few in top
positions blah ****ing blah ask yourself in that case how come so many
asians and jews have made it to top positions if theres a cabel of
racists little englanders in charge.

B2003

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On Dec 28, 12:21*pm, wrote:
On Dec 27, 6:04 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:

matters. We're not a group that's on the receiving end of discrimination -
nothing that actually does any harm, anyway. Black people are.

Since when? When was the last time you heard of a black guy being
beaten up by the NF? The black community seems quite content to
implode all on its own with the number of shootings and stabbings
going on.

"Black community"? Since when did sharing a physical characteristic
make people a community?

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On Dec 28, 12:59 pm, MIG wrote:
Since when? When was the last time you heard of a black guy being
beaten up by the NF? The black community seems quite content to
implode all on its own with the number of shootings and stabbings
going on.

"Black community"? Since when did sharing a physical characteristic
make people a community?

According to their own "community leaders" it does. Don't you watch TV
or listen to the radio?

B2003

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On Dec 28, 1:26*pm, wrote:
On Dec 28, 12:59 pm, MIG wrote:

Since when? When was the last time you heard of a black guy being
beaten up by the NF? The black community seems quite content to
implode all on its own with the number of shootings and stabbings
going on.

"Black community"? *Since when did sharing a physical characteristic
make people a community?

According to their own "community leaders" it does. Don't you watch TV
or listen to the radio?


Yes, and such phrases have always bugged me. I guess it's lazy
journalism to present vocal individuals (or worse, employees of
institutions promoting superstition) as "leaders" of other people with
similar physical characteristics.

Who are your community leaders (other than elected representatives of
everyone)?

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MIG wrote:
On Dec 28, 1:26 pm, wrote:
On Dec 28, 12:59 pm, MIG wrote:

Since when? When was the last time you heard of a black guy being
beaten up by the NF? The black community seems quite content to
implode all on its own with the number of shootings and stabbings
going on.

"Black community"? Since when did sharing a physical characteristic
make people a community?

According to their own "community leaders" it does. Don't you watch
TV or listen to the radio?


Yes, and such phrases have always bugged me. I guess it's lazy
journalism to present vocal individuals (or worse, employees of
institutions promoting superstition) as "leaders" of other people with
similar physical characteristics.

Who are your community leaders (other than elected representatives of
everyone)?

It's when you realise that the BNP are the white equivalent of non-white
"community leaders" that you realise how fundamentally fraudulent the phrase
is.

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On Dec 28, 1:50 pm, MIG wrote:
Who are your community leaders (other than elected representatives of
everyone)?

Not being an ethnic minority with an axe to grind and a whole chip
shop on my shoulder, I don't have one.

B2003

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On Dec 28, 4:32*pm, wrote:
On Dec 28, 1:50 pm, MIG wrote:

Who are your community leaders (other than elected representatives of
everyone)?

Not being an ethnic minority with an axe to grind and a whole chip
shop on my shoulder, I don't have one.

I am exactly the same as you in that respect. I also often express
opions. I must be your community leader.

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"John B" wrote ...
On Dec 28, 12:21 pm, wrote:
snipped
****ing hell, you're a nasty piece of work.

He is.
So why encourage him by responding - and repeating his crap?
Killfile him, as everyone else has, and stop helping him spread his poison.

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On Dec 29, 11:48*am, "Andrew Heenan" wrote:
He is.
So why encourage him by responding - and repeating his crap?
Killfile him, as everyone else has, and stop helping him spread his poison.

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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:22:13 -0800 (PST), John B wrote:

The reason this is controversial is that almost everyone depicted in
TfL's publicity is black or Asian, *except* when they are some sort of
criminal (fare dodger, rapist, etc) in which case they are invariably
white.

But that's absolute rubbish. Look at all these:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sit...uk+leaflet+pdf

...OK, the newsagent in the Oyster leaflet is either Asian or southern
European, but every other leaflet that has recognisable people in it
has large numbers of recognisable white people. And none of the ones
on the first 3 or 4 pages of the search are about criminals/fare
dodgers, either.

Quite possibly. The last time this topic came up in the group, I paid
attention to TfL's poster campaigns for a while, and it was definitely
true then for those. I haven't paid much attention recently, or to
leaflets at all.

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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:47:06 -0800 (PST), John B
wrote:


The fact that those stereotypes exist, and that candidates with
stereotypically 'black' names and identical CVs are less likely to be
called to interview than those with neutral names, and that everyone
who's ever studied any kind of psychology at all is aware of reams of
evidence that everybody - especially those who don't believe racial
discrimination exists - makes judgements based on race *all the bloody
time* - could be seen as evidence in favour of my point.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xbwNSNLPIfw

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On Dec 29, 7:42*pm, James Farrar wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xbwNSNLPIfw

How many Oriental wives has Boltar got, I wonder? ;-)

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On Dec 30, 11:12*am, John B wrote:
On Dec 29, 7:42*pm, James Farrar wrote:



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xbwNSNLPIfw

How many Oriental wives has Boltar got, I wonder? ;-)

youtube is blocked here so I'm afraid any comments/gags/sniping will
whoosh right over my head.

As usual some might say.

B2003

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"John B" wrote :
How many Oriental wives has Boltar got, I wonder? ;-)

The only 'trophy wife' I can imagine for Boltar would have to be papier
mache, or plastic blow-up, or one loving ly assembled from bits of fluff,
puppy dogs' tails and other bits of biological flotsam and jetsam.

I cannot imagine any human being staying within a block for more than 7.8
secs.

That's why he has to come here to insult most of the human race. And the
poor sap has never put 2 and 2 together, so he'll never change his ways. Or
his underwear.

But I'll bet his mum still loves him.
And that's what matters. Obviously.

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:12:57 -0800 (PST), John B
wrote:

On Dec 29, 7:42*pm, James Farrar wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xbwNSNLPIfw

How many Oriental wives has Boltar got, I wonder? ;-)

Whaa? Blian!

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On Dec 30, 5:30*pm, "Andrew Heenan" wrote:
The only 'trophy wife' I can imagine for Boltar would have to be papier
mache, or plastic blow-up, or one loving ly assembled from bits of fluff,
puppy dogs' tails and other bits of biological flotsam and jetsam.

I cut the puppy dog tails off myself you know, I like to hear them
howl.


I cannot imagine any human being staying within a block for more than 7.8
secs.

Oh definately over 10 seconds, theres no breaking 100 metre records
even when I'm around.

That's why he has to come here to insult most of the human race. *And the
poor sap has never put 2 and 2 together, so he'll never change his ways. Or
his underwear.

Why add 2 and 2 when you can just add 1 and 1? Much easier.

B2003