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Went up to the sales on saturday. Coming back the piccadilly line was
fscked because of "a stalled train at cockfosters" whatever the hell thats supposed to mean. Trains were all terminating at Arnos Grove despite the fact theres a perfectly good crossover at Oakwood causing trains to back up to finsbury park. As usual LU puts its own convenience before that of its ripped off customers. Took hours to get home and once there discovered that 2009 isn't an option on the customer charter refund page. Tried it again - still not there. And if you click on the contact us link it goes into an endless redirection loop. All that, a 6% fare rise and some militant ******* on strike in some bus garage in Edgware today dliberately to muck up the journeys of people on their first day back at work. Isn't public transport in London just so wonderful? I give up. B2003 |
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:24:00 -0800 (PST), wrote:
I give up. Please do. |
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On Jan 5, 12:24*pm, James Farrar wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:24:00 -0800 (PST), wrote: I give up. Please do. Well actually I already have - I drive to work now even though I could take the tube. B2003 |
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 04:43:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 5, 12:24*pm, James Farrar wrote: On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:24:00 -0800 (PST), wrote: I give up. Please do. Well actually I already have - I drive to work now even though I could take the tube. How about giving up the tube completely, and giving up moaning about it? |
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On Jan 5, 2:03*pm, James Farrar wrote:
Well actually I already have - I drive to work now even though I could take the tube. How about giving up the tube completely, and giving up moaning about it? If it was free to use I wouldn't moan. It isn't free - it costs a bloody fortune so I expect decent service not yet another random selection from The LU Book Of Excuses. And if I can't have that I expect to be able to apply for a refund - not be faced with a broken website. B2003 |
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On 5 Jan, 10:24, wrote:
Went up to the sales on saturday. Coming back the piccadilly line was fscked because of "a stalled train at cockfosters" whatever the hell thats supposed to mean. Trains were all terminating at Arnos Grove despite the fact theres a perfectly good crossover at Oakwood causing trains to back up to finsbury park. As usual LU puts its own convenience before that of its ripped off customers. Took hours to get home Whilst I don't want to encourage Boltar's constant negativity about everything, it is amazing how on the tube the minute one small thing goes wrong, everything screws up totally. Let's take a look at the above scenario. A train is stalled at Cockfosters, right at the extreme end of the line. There's a turning point at Arnos Grove. Why can't they just switch the signalling to immediately turn all trains around at Arnos Grove, so the only disruption is between Arnos Grove and Cockfosters? In this situation, passengers south of Arnos Grove shouldn't have noticed a thing. Compare this to the excellent action taken by First Great Western this morning (I'm not making this up!) on my trip to Bristol. There was a major signal failure between Swindon and Bristol. They immediately rerouted my train to run via Bristol Parkway and we arrived at Bristol on time. They managed it despite having to deal with intersecting lines and having to find paths between other trains; why can't the tube do it on a single line with no junctions when the disruption is at an extreme end? Patrick |
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On Jan 6, 10:57*am, Patrick Osborne wrote:
Whilst I don't want to encourage Boltar's constant negativity about everything, it is amazing how on the tube the minute one small thing goes wrong, everything screws up totally. Let's take a look at the above scenario. *A train is stalled at Cockfosters, right at the extreme end of the line. *There's a turning point at Arnos Grove. *Why can't they just switch the signalling to immediately turn all trains around at Arnos Grove, so the only disruption is between Arnos Grove and Cockfosters? *In this situation, passengers south of Arnos Grove shouldn't have noticed a thing. 1) the depot is at Cockfosters. Not sure what time this incident took place, but if the train died in a place where it blocked or significantly impaired depot access, then that's going to have an obvious knock-on effect on the line 2) normal line operation is based on turning some trains at Arnos (6ish) and some at Cockfosters (18ish). There are three reversing platforms at Cockfosters; there is one at Arnos. If suddenly 24 trains have to be reversed in the one platform, this is going to create some fairly obvious bottlenecks. Compare this to the excellent action taken by First Great Western this morning (I'm not making this up!) on my trip to Bristol. *There was a major signal failure between Swindon and Bristol. *They immediately rerouted my train to run via Bristol Parkway and we arrived at Bristol on time. *They managed it despite having to deal with intersecting lines and having to find paths between other trains; why can't the tube do it on a single line with no junctions when the disruption is at an extreme end? The excellent action will have been taken by Network Rail, although FGW may have been involved in the planning process for What To Do If There's A Failure. Anyway... while junctions make life more complicated, they also provide diversions and alternative routes. Whereas when you've got a railway that's fundamentally two tracks with trains separated by only a couple of minutes, any disruption is going to have instant and rapid knock-ons - and the only way you can deal with that is to add extremely expensive redundancy (in this case, adding signalling and track work at Arnos so that it can be used as a full-capacity terminus mirroring Cockfosters, or turning one of the stations north of Arnos into an alternative reversing point - in either case, these will only be useful for the few hours a month when access to Cockfosters has completely failed). -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On Jan 6, 12:31*pm, John B wrote:
On Jan 6, 10:57*am, Patrick Osborne wrote: Whilst I don't want to encourage Boltar's constant negativity about everything, it is amazing how on the tube the minute one small thing goes wrong, everything screws up totally. Let's take a look at the above scenario. *A train is stalled at Cockfosters, right at the extreme end of the line. *There's a turning point at Arnos Grove. *Why can't they just switch the signalling to immediately turn all trains around at Arnos Grove, so the only disruption is between Arnos Grove and Cockfosters? *In this situation, passengers south of Arnos Grove shouldn't have noticed a thing. 1) the depot is at Cockfosters. Not sure what time this incident took place, but if the train died in a place where it blocked or significantly impaired depot access, then that's going to have an obvious knock-on effect on the line 2) normal line operation is based on turning some trains at Arnos (6ish) and some at Cockfosters (18ish). There are three reversing platforms at Cockfosters; there is one at Arnos. If suddenly 24 trains have to be reversed in the one platform, this is going to create some fairly obvious bottlenecks. Compare this to the excellent action taken by First Great Western this morning (I'm not making this up!) on my trip to Bristol. *There was a major signal failure between Swindon and Bristol. *They immediately rerouted my train to run via Bristol Parkway and we arrived at Bristol on time. *They managed it despite having to deal with intersecting lines and having to find paths between other trains; why can't the tube do it on a single line with no junctions when the disruption is at an extreme end? The excellent action will have been taken by Network Rail, although FGW may have been involved in the planning process for What To Do If There's A Failure. Anyway... while junctions make life more complicated, they also provide diversions and alternative routes. Whereas when you've got a railway that's fundamentally two tracks with trains separated by only a couple of minutes, any disruption is going to have instant and rapid knock-ons - and the only way you can deal with that is to add extremely expensive redundancy (in this case, adding signalling and track work at Arnos so that it can be used as a full-capacity terminus mirroring Cockfosters, or turning one of the stations north of Arnos into an alternative reversing point - in either case, these will only be useful for the few hours a month when access to Cockfosters has completely failed). Trains can also be turned in Cockfosters depot from the Oakwood end. Of course, this relies on there being staff at Oakwood, to check the cars are empty before entering the depot. I do occasionally see an Oakwood service on the line, especially when services are being reduced at the end of the peaks or at the end of the day. Trains also enter service from Oakwood at the start of service and at peak periods. |
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