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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3121652.stm

Quote:

Civil rights campaigners have expressed concerns about the new smart
travelcards introduced for London commuters.

Under the new system, Transport for London will be able to track a
commuter's movements and it plans to retain information on journeys
made for "a number of years"

--
Tony Bryer

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Tony Bryer wrote the following in:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3121652.stm

Quote:

Civil rights campaigners have expressed concerns about the new smart
travelcards introduced for London commuters.

Under the new system, Transport for London will be able to track a
commuter's movements and it plans to retain information on journeys
made for "a number of years"

Surely people wanting to avoid this could just buy a traditional paper
(or plastic type stuff) season ticket?

--
message by Robin May, consumer of liquids
"A very large head, a head like a bear's"

Hacker is to computer as boy racer is to Ford Escort.

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"Robin May" wrote in message
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Tony Bryer wrote the following in:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3121652.stm

Quote:

Civil rights campaigners have expressed concerns about the new smart
travelcards introduced for London commuters.

Under the new system, Transport for London will be able to track a
commuter's movements and it plans to retain information on journeys
made for "a number of years"

Surely people wanting to avoid this could just buy a traditional paper
(or plastic type stuff) season ticket?

--
message by Robin May, consumer of liquids
"A very large head, a head like a bear's"

Hacker is to computer as boy racer is to Ford Escort.

You won't be able to buy paper tickets for longer durations than 1 week soon
AFAIK.

The article says that you can get an anonymous card for 'pay as you go'
only.

Colin

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You won't be able to buy paper tickets for longer durations than 1 week
soon AFAIK.

You cant now. Even weekly season tickets (aside from central London) need
a photocard, so they can still correlate movements with people.

Personally I buy paper singles.

Oyster=Big Brother ??
 

From Oct all Monthly and seasonals will be Oysters. Anyway why are people
moaning, the idea initially was cause people were moaning that they had to
take the tickety out of their little wallety and it was getting damaged by
the machiney weanny.

In Singapore when you enter the ticket into the machine it instantly tells
you onscreen where all your journeys have been - that have been logged to
that card.

Its part of technology and progress - anywhere you go now you see it - old
style garage, 4 working pumps (closed Sundays still) No air line and hoover
working crap bog etc, New style, almost a brand new mini - supermarket with
a Pret a Manger for sarnies and Starbucks for that 04.00am Coffee along with
16 pumps all working and number plate recognition cameras along with working
hoover and air pump.

Technology improves all our ways of life to varying degrees some are more
subtle and convinient when we chose them to be - ie the following can
trace your movements - mobile phones, cashpoints, speed cameras, CCTV in
shops, Passports, Loyalty cards etc to name a few

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In message , Roger the cabin boy
writes
Anyway why are people
moaning, the idea initially was cause people were moaning that they had to
take the tickety out of their little wallety

What is the range of the Oyster Card? I saw an advert for it yesterday
where it was claiming "no more fumbling for your ticket", and then
pictured a fumbled-out oyster card held right on top of the reader.
Having to get the ticket out of your pocket seems to me to mean just as
much fumbling as before. Leaving it in my wallet means getting out the
wallet (which for me is more of a fumble than getting a paper ticket out
of my top pocket), and will encourage muggers.
--
Roland Perry

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You can actually just place your jacket pocket on the Reader, without taking
the Oyster out of the pocket.

Lawrence Myers


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , Roger the cabin boy
writes
Anyway why are people
moaning, the idea initially was cause people were moaning that they had
to
take the tickety out of their little wallety

What is the range of the Oyster Card? I saw an advert for it yesterday
where it was claiming "no more fumbling for your ticket", and then
pictured a fumbled-out oyster card held right on top of the reader.
Having to get the ticket out of your pocket seems to me to mean just as
much fumbling as before. Leaving it in my wallet means getting out the
wallet (which for me is more of a fumble than getting a paper ticket out
of my top pocket), and will encourage muggers.
--
Roland Perry

Oyster=Big Brother ??
 

Tony Bryer wrote in message ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3121652.stm

Quote:

Civil rights campaigners have expressed concerns about the new smart
travelcards introduced for London commuters.

Under the new system, Transport for London will be able to track a
commuter's movements and it plans to retain information on journeys
made for "a number of years"

Yeah, like this is _the_ most important civili liberties issue we
should be worried about. I wonder is Liberty has been whinging about
supermarket loyalty cards, as well?

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In message , Lawrence Myers
writes
You can actually just place your jacket pocket on the Reader, without taking
the Oyster out of the pocket.

I keep my wallet in my inside pocket (as most people probably do). Will
this spawn a new variant on the Ministry of Silly Walks? Would it be
worse if my wallet was in my trouser back pocket?
--
Roland Perry

Oyster=Big Brother ??
 

Tony Bryer wrote in article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3121652.stm

Quote:

Civil rights campaigners have expressed concerns about the new smart
travelcards introduced for London commuters.

Under the new system, Transport for London will be able to track a
commuter's movements and it plans to retain information on journeys
made for "a number of years"

As with retention of mobile phone call data, the possibility of the
data being useful to prove an alibi ("and then I went straight home")
never crosses the 'minds' of Civil Rights Campaigners.

--
Mike D

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Roland Perry typed


In message , Lawrence Myers
writes
You can actually just place your jacket pocket on the Reader, without
taking
the Oyster out of the pocket.

I keep my wallet in my inside pocket (as most people probably do). Will
this spawn a new variant on the Ministry of Silly Walks? Would it be
worse if my wallet was in my trouser back pocket?

The bind moggles at the thought of busty woman keeping her Oyster in a
top pocket...

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

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In message , Steve Naïve
writes
Why not keep the oyster card in your top pocket where you say you would
normally keep your paper ticket. Then *you* are no worse off than before,

Agreed. But then why *have* a new system.

and for *lots* of people, they will see a large speed benefit.

They will still be stuck behind me as I fumble [tm] for the ticket.
--
Roland Perry

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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:54:01 +0100, Paul Weaver
wrote in :
You won't be able to buy paper tickets for longer durations than 1 week
soon AFAIK.

You cant now. Even weekly season tickets (aside from central London) need
a photocard, so they can still correlate movements with people.

How d'you figure that? You don't give *any* personal information
for a photocard, just write a name -- on the card only -- and supply a
photograph. If you buy your weekly OTC the clerk doesn't (IIRC) record
the PC number, just writes it on the ticket. And even if the machine at
your local newsagent stored or passed on your PC number rather than just
printing it on the ticket, there are at most 260,000 different PC numbers
compared to however-many millions must have been issued since they were
introduced, so it's hardly likely to be unique.

Personally I buy paper singles.

Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they aren't *really*
out to get you!

--
Ivan Reid, Electronic & Computer Engineering, ___ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

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In message 01c383a8$214dd840$d405e150@default, Michael R N Dolbear
writes
As with retention of mobile phone call data, the possibility of the
data being useful to prove an alibi ("and then I went straight home")
never crosses the 'minds' of Civil Rights Campaigners.

Because it can't "prove" innocence. You might have lent you phone or
Oyster Card to someone else. But as a strong indication that you were
near the scene of a crime, it can draw suspicion upon you.
--
Roland Perry

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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:03:24 -0700, Nick Cooper 625 wrote:
Yeah, like this is _the_ most important civili liberties issue we should
be worried about. I wonder is Liberty has been whinging about supermarket
loyalty cards, as well?

You don't have to have one, you can lie on the application form, you can
swap them with friends, its a private enterprise that does it, with no
tax payer funding. I fail to see the similarity.

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Roland Perry wrote in article
...
In message 01c383a8$214dd840$d405e150@default, Michael R N Dolbear
writes
As with retention of mobile phone call data, the possibility of the
data being useful to prove an alibi ("and then I went straight
home")
never crosses the 'minds' of Civil Rights Campaigners.

Because it can't "prove" innocence. You might have lent you phone or
Oyster Card to someone else. But as a strong indication that you were

near the scene of a crime, it can draw suspicion upon you.

And a strong indication that you were somewhere else can draw suspicion
away.

I didn't say "prove" innocence, I said prove an alibi. Beyond
reasonable doubt is the idea I understand.

--
Mike D

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In article , Dr Ivan D. Reid
writes
there are at most 260,000 different PC numbers

That's rubbish, for a start: my photocard number has three letters and
four digits in it, so that's over 175 million.

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