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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3121652.stm

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Civil rights campaigners have expressed concerns about the new smart
travelcards introduced for London commuters.

Under the new system, Transport for London will be able to track a
commuter's movements and it plans to retain information on journeys
made for "a number of years"

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Tony Bryer wrote the following in:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3121652.stm

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Civil rights campaigners have expressed concerns about the new smart
travelcards introduced for London commuters.

Under the new system, Transport for London will be able to track a
commuter's movements and it plans to retain information on journeys
made for "a number of years"


Surely people wanting to avoid this could just buy a traditional paper
(or plastic type stuff) season ticket?

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Tony Bryer wrote the following in:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3121652.stm

Quote:

Civil rights campaigners have expressed concerns about the new smart
travelcards introduced for London commuters.

Under the new system, Transport for London will be able to track a
commuter's movements and it plans to retain information on journeys
made for "a number of years"


Surely people wanting to avoid this could just buy a traditional paper
(or plastic type stuff) season ticket?

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"A very large head, a head like a bear's"

Hacker is to computer as boy racer is to Ford Escort.


You won't be able to buy paper tickets for longer durations than 1 week soon
AFAIK.

The article says that you can get an anonymous card for 'pay as you go'
only.

Colin

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You won't be able to buy paper tickets for longer durations than 1 week
soon AFAIK.


You cant now. Even weekly season tickets (aside from central London) need
a photocard, so they can still correlate movements with people.

Personally I buy paper singles.
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From Oct all Monthly and seasonals will be Oysters. Anyway why are people
moaning, the idea initially was cause people were moaning that they had to
take the tickety out of their little wallety and it was getting damaged by
the machiney weanny.

In Singapore when you enter the ticket into the machine it instantly tells
you onscreen where all your journeys have been - that have been logged to
that card.

Its part of technology and progress - anywhere you go now you see it - old
style garage, 4 working pumps (closed Sundays still) No air line and hoover
working crap bog etc, New style, almost a brand new mini - supermarket with
a Pret a Manger for sarnies and Starbucks for that 04.00am Coffee along with
16 pumps all working and number plate recognition cameras along with working
hoover and air pump.

Technology improves all our ways of life to varying degrees some are more
subtle and convinient when we chose them to be - ie the following can
trace your movements - mobile phones, cashpoints, speed cameras, CCTV in
shops, Passports, Loyalty cards etc to name a few






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Anyway why are people
moaning, the idea initially was cause people were moaning that they had to
take the tickety out of their little wallety


What is the range of the Oyster Card? I saw an advert for it yesterday
where it was claiming "no more fumbling for your ticket", and then
pictured a fumbled-out oyster card held right on top of the reader.
Having to get the ticket out of your pocket seems to me to mean just as
much fumbling as before. Leaving it in my wallet means getting out the
wallet (which for me is more of a fumble than getting a paper ticket out
of my top pocket), and will encourage muggers.
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You can actually just place your jacket pocket on the Reader, without taking
the Oyster out of the pocket.

Lawrence Myers


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In message , Roger the cabin boy
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Anyway why are people
moaning, the idea initially was cause people were moaning that they had

to
take the tickety out of their little wallety


What is the range of the Oyster Card? I saw an advert for it yesterday
where it was claiming "no more fumbling for your ticket", and then
pictured a fumbled-out oyster card held right on top of the reader.
Having to get the ticket out of your pocket seems to me to mean just as
much fumbling as before. Leaving it in my wallet means getting out the
wallet (which for me is more of a fumble than getting a paper ticket out
of my top pocket), and will encourage muggers.
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Tony Bryer wrote in message ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3121652.stm

Quote:

Civil rights campaigners have expressed concerns about the new smart
travelcards introduced for London commuters.

Under the new system, Transport for London will be able to track a
commuter's movements and it plans to retain information on journeys
made for "a number of years"


Yeah, like this is _the_ most important civili liberties issue we
should be worried about. I wonder is Liberty has been whinging about
supermarket loyalty cards, as well?
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In message , Lawrence Myers
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You can actually just place your jacket pocket on the Reader, without taking
the Oyster out of the pocket.


I keep my wallet in my inside pocket (as most people probably do). Will
this spawn a new variant on the Ministry of Silly Walks? Would it be
worse if my wallet was in my trouser back pocket?
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Tony Bryer wrote in article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3121652.stm

Quote:

Civil rights campaigners have expressed concerns about the new smart
travelcards introduced for London commuters.

Under the new system, Transport for London will be able to track a
commuter's movements and it plans to retain information on journeys
made for "a number of years"


As with retention of mobile phone call data, the possibility of the
data being useful to prove an alibi ("and then I went straight home")
never crosses the 'minds' of Civil Rights Campaigners.

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Mike D


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