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DLR Tower Gateway
On 2 Mar, 15:40, Paul Corfield wrote:
Slightly surprised no one has mentioned this but http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/11275.aspx says Tower Gateway has reopened. Paul Corfield via Google They had already said it was going to. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....63298098?hl=en It would have been handy for me if it had been open on Saturday, oh well. |
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MIG wrote:
On 2 Mar, 15:40, Paul Corfield wrote: Slightly surprised no one has mentioned this but http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/11275.aspx says Tower Gateway has reopened. Paul Corfield via Google They had already said it was going to. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....63298098?hl=en It would have been handy for me if it had been open on Saturday, oh well. To be fair, there wasn't much of the DLR opened on the western section on Saturday, and not much Jubilee or District Line action either. I actually took the river bus to Canary Wharf and back because there was literally no other decent option (train to Greenwich then DLR being the next best). I actually spent an entire day mooching around town without ever going on a tube or bus - I managed to cope with just train, boat, walk and finally taxi. The river bus is good but expensive, and takes a lot of staff for the number of passengers (just under two bendy buses, I reckon, with something like five or six crew on board plus crew at the landing piers). It's quick east of the Tower, though, my phone GPS had it at 50km/h+. Tom |
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On Mar 2, 6:06*pm, Tom Barry wrote:
MIG wrote: On 2 Mar, 15:40, Paul Corfield wrote: Slightly surprised no one has mentioned this but http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/11275.aspx says Tower Gateway has reopened. Paul Corfield via Google They had already said it was going to. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....g/2ceede816329... It would have been handy for me if it had been open on Saturday, oh well. To be fair, there wasn't much of the DLR opened on the western section on Saturday, and not much Jubilee or District Line action either. *I actually took the river bus to Canary Wharf and back because there was literally no other decent option (train to Greenwich then DLR being the next best). *I actually spent an entire day mooching around town without ever going on a tube or bus - I managed to cope with just train, boat, walk and finally taxi. The river bus is good but expensive, and takes a lot of staff for the number of passengers (just under two bendy buses, I reckon, with something like five or six crew on board plus crew at the landing piers). *It's quick east of the Tower, though, my phone GPS had it at 50km/h+. Tom- The boat was probably a good plan on Saturday. Road users diverting because of the Blackheath Hill situation must have been delighted by the fact that the Rotherhithe tunnel was closed. I was in the Tower Gateway area watching ridculous amounts of traffic jam, including DLR replacement buses trying to get through. |
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On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:06:00 +0000, Tom Barry
wrote: To be fair, there wasn't much of the DLR opened on the western section on Saturday, and not much Jubilee or District Line action either. I actually took the river bus to Canary Wharf and back because there was literally no other decent option (train to Greenwich then DLR being the next best). I actually spent an entire day mooching around town without ever going on a tube or bus - I managed to cope with just train, boat, walk and finally taxi. 135 bus from Aldgate is the civilised cheap way of getting to Canary Wharf, though it isn't quick. The river bus is good but expensive, and takes a lot of staff for the number of passengers (just under two bendy buses, I reckon, with something like five or six crew on board plus crew at the landing piers). It's quick east of the Tower, though, my phone GPS had it at 50km/h+. It's quite fun standing on the back and leaning out (despite signs to the effect that you're supposed to take a seat they don't care in practice). Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Mar 2, 5:42*pm, (Neil Williams)
wrote: 135 bus from Aldgate is the civilised cheap way of getting to Canary Wharf, though it isn't quick. Does the 135 tell you where it's going yet? When I last took it all it said on the front was 'Crossharbour Asda' in one direction and 'Old Street' in the other. To introduce a bus linking two important locations (the City and Canary Wharf) and then not to show these on the destination blinds seems perverse. |
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On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:45:13 -0800 (PST), brixtonite
wrote: Does the 135 tell you where it's going yet? When I last took it all it said on the front was 'Crossharbour Asda' in one direction and 'Old Street' in the other. To introduce a bus linking two important locations (the City and Canary Wharf) and then not to show these on the destination blinds seems perverse. That's TfL's "end destination only" nonsense, then... No, no change. Will be interesting to see if the route survives now Tower Gateway is back, as it was in part introduced as a replacement. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:52:48 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote: I don't see that it wouldn't survive - there are many other routes with lower usage. I also cannot recall there being any mention of the 135 being a part replacement for DLR - source for your comment? I'm pretty sure TfL publicity at the time said that there had long been an aim to introduce something but that it was prompted by the requirement to provide for journeys from the Aldgate area to Canary Wharf that might previously have used the DLR. Unfortunately I don't still have a copy. But the service itself is very welcome, and is by far the most civilised (if slow) way of getting to Canary Wharf using a Travelcard. (The *most* civilised, costing extra, being the boat). Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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Tom Barry wrote in
: The river bus is good but expensive, and takes a lot of staff for the number of passengers (just under two bendy buses, I reckon, with something like five or six crew on board plus crew at the landing piers). It is indeed expensive to run; not just the staff costs but the boats and piers require more maintenance than buses and bus stops. I was involved with a project a few years ago looking at how the costs and benefits could be reconciled sufficiently to allow the river buses to operate on the basis of Oyster PAYG fares, but the cost to revenue gap seemed too large, even with a hefty cross-subsidy. This was in Ken's time and I don't know whether there has been any change in thinking since then. Peter -- Peter Campbell Smith ~ London ~ pjcs00 (a) gmail.com |
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Oyster on the river is currently in development.
There are various issues - not least the different fare scales with different operators, which reflect the different styles of service. Thames Clippers operates the fast commuter "riverbus" and 02 Express, while City Cruises operates the leisure service which caters for families, visitors and anyone who wants a day out. [Our boats travel at a more leisurely speed with more open deck areas, commentary etc, so your trip on the river is not simply a method of transport.] Another big question is the siting and installation of the kit. Remember that boarding piers on the River Thames are not simply afloat, they rise and fall more than 20ft twice a day Ð and they are very exposed to the elements. And you can't do bus-type "pay on entry" when the boat is at the pier. Progress is being made Ð watch this space. And as the weather picks up and you get the cameras out, do have a day out on London's River: 2000 years of liquid history - and if you want to know more, just ask [end of shameless plug]. On 2009-03-03 11:17:19 +0000, Peter Campbell Smith said: Tom Barry wrote in : The river bus is good but expensive, and takes a lot of staff for the number of passengers (just under two bendy buses, I reckon, with something like five or six crew on board plus crew at the landing piers). It is indeed expensive to run; not just the staff costs but the boats and piers require more maintenance than buses and bus stops. I was involved with a project a few years ago looking at how the costs and benefits could be reconciled sufficiently to allow the river buses to operate on the basis of Oyster PAYG fares, but the cost to revenue gap seemed too large, even with a hefty cross-subsidy. This was in Ken's time and I don't know whether there has been any change in thinking since then. Peter -- Writer / editor on London's River |
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