The "Lasso Line"
 

Both the London Lite and the Evening Standard today carried news about
changes to the Circle Line due this December. The level of journalism isn't
the best - both talked about the "Hammersmith & City Line" being "extended"
from Aldgate to Barking, so the reports may not be 100% accurate.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ith/article.do

As discussed previously on this group, the plan is to reallocate the Circle,
H&C and Metropolitan lines as follows:

a) Met diverted from Aldgate to Barking, taking over the H&C branch
b) The Circle line service disappears
c) The Hammersmith branch of the H&C is combined with the Circle so trains
run from Hammersmith to Edgware Road then once round the inner circle.

Trains on the Hammersmith branch will be doubled. There will be no regular
through service between the west and north of the circle, but passengers are
being promised cross platform interchange. Also flagged as a positive is
that there is a depot on the line route (the Circle lacks one).

Interestingly the reports suggest that on the return journey the trains will
run directly back to Hammersmith, rather than back round the circle first.
There will be an alternative route that runs the other way round the circle.

The East London Advertiser, instead, suggests a single route with the trains
going back round the circle:

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.u...A37%3A46%3A103

The "Lasso Line"
 

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:59:42 -0000, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:

a) Met diverted from Aldgate to Barking, taking over the H&C branch

All Met trains, or will some still terminate at Aldgate?

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
...
Both the London Lite and the Evening Standard today carried news about
changes to the Circle Line due this December. The level of journalism
isn't the best - both talked about the "Hammersmith & City Line" being
"extended" from Aldgate to Barking, so the reports may not be 100%
accurate.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ith/article.do

As discussed previously on this group, the plan is to reallocate the
Circle, H&C and Metropolitan lines as follows:

a) Met diverted from Aldgate to Barking, taking over the H&C branch
b) The Circle line service disappears
c) The Hammersmith branch of the H&C is combined with the Circle so
trains run from Hammersmith to Edgware Road then once round the inner
circle.

The Metropolitan line will still go to Aldgate as present. The planned
service is

6tph Hammersmith - Barking
6tph Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Aldgate - Victoria - Edgware Road
6tph Uxbridge - Aldgate
6tph Wimbledon - Edgware Road

Trains on the Hammersmith branch will be doubled. There will be no
regular through service between the west and north of the circle, but
passengers are being promised cross platform interchange. Also flagged
as a positive is that there is a depot on the line route (the Circle
lacks one).

I don't see how they can promise cross-platform interchange. There will
be a 50% chance of cross-platform interchange depending on which
platform is used.

Peter Smyth

The "Lasso Line"
 

"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in
:

Both the London Lite and the Evening Standard today carried news about
changes to the Circle Line due this December. The level of journalism
isn't the best - both talked about the "Hammersmith & City Line" being
"extended" from Aldgate to Barking, so the reports may not be 100%
accurate.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...etails/Circle+
line+changes+shape+and+heads+off+to+Hammersmith/article.do

As discussed previously on this group, the plan is to reallocate the
Circle, H&C and Metropolitan lines as follows:

a) Met diverted from Aldgate to Barking, taking over the H&C branch
b) The Circle line service disappears
c) The Hammersmith branch of the H&C is combined with the Circle so
trains run from Hammersmith to Edgware Road then once round the inner
circle.

Trains on the Hammersmith branch will be doubled. There will be no
regular through service between the west and north of the circle, but
passengers are being promised cross platform interchange. Also flagged
as a positive is that there is a depot on the line route (the Circle
lacks one).

Interestingly the reports suggest that on the return journey the
trains will run directly back to Hammersmith, rather than back round
the circle first. There will be an alternative route that runs the
other way round the circle.

The East London Advertiser, instead, suggests a single route with the
trains going back round the circle:

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.u...s/advertiser/n
ews/story.aspx?brand=ELAOnline&category=news&tBrand=no rthlondon24&tCate
gory=newsela&itemid=WeED05%20Mar%202009%2013%3A37% 3A46%3A103




The TfL press releases
(http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/11300.aspx) says

"The new service will run from Hammersmith (H & C station) to Edgware Road
station and then join the current Circle at Edgware Road and make a single
loop, terminating at Edgware Road station. It will then reverse and do the
full circle anti-clockwise, returning to Hammersmith."

which has been reported by the Standard as

"From December, Circle line trains will start in Hammersmith, run along the
current Hammersmith & City line to Edgware Road and then do a clockwise lap
of the Circle line and head back to Hammersmith. They would then do the
journey anti-clockwise."

David

The "Lasso Line"
 

"David Jackman" pleasereplytogroup wrote in message
. 109.145...

which has been reported by the Standard as

"From December, Circle line trains will start in Hammersmith, run along
the
current Hammersmith & City line to Edgware Road and then do a clockwise
lap
of the Circle line and head back to Hammersmith. They would then do the
journey anti-clockwise."

A very similar mistaken description to the last time the Standard ran the
story a few months back. IIRC was discussed here at the time...

Paul S

The "Lasso Line"
 

In message , at 20:22:56 on Thu, 5
Mar 2009, Peter Smyth remarked:
6tph Hammersmith - Barking
6tph Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Aldgate - Victoria - Edgware Road

So Paddington (Circle line station) to KX will *always* require a change
of train at Edgware Rd. Clockwise, anyway.

6tph Uxbridge - Aldgate
6tph Wimbledon - Edgware Road

Any of these stopping short at High St Ken?
--
Roland Perry

The "Lasso Line"
 

"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
...
Both the London Lite and the Evening Standard today carried news about
changes to the Circle Line due this December. The level of journalism
isn't the best - both talked about the "Hammersmith & City Line" being
"extended" from Aldgate to Barking, so the reports may not be 100%
accurate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/7926242.stm

BBC seem to have it described reasonably (with drawing) OK - and are pretty
well convinced it will remain the Circle. So just who actually brought
'Lasso' into it?

Paul S

The "Lasso Line"
 

Peter Smyth wrote:

The Metropolitan line will still go to Aldgate as present. The planned
service is

6tph Hammersmith - Barking
6tph Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Aldgate - Victoria - Edgware Road
6tph Uxbridge - Aldgate
6tph Wimbledon - Edgware Road

I presume this is because the Met can't at present run eastwards on the
current track - will this change with the new stock? (Plus of course this
preserves the through service - is there a requirement for a public enquiry
before such services can be withdrawn or is it the route?)

I don't see how they can promise cross-platform interchange. There will be
a 50% chance of cross-platform interchange depending on which platform is
used.

I suspect this is a flawed attempt to try and minimise objections to the
loss of the direct service. Personally when I've taken the route I've often
found the trains pause for an eternity at Edgeware Road and information
about which train will leave next is virtually non-existant.

The "Lasso Line"
 

On Mar 5, 9:10*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"David Jackman" pleasereplytogroup wrote in message

. 109.145...

which has been reported by the Standard as

"From December, Circle line trains will start in Hammersmith, run along
the
current Hammersmith & City line to Edgware Road and then do a clockwise
lap
of the Circle line and head back to Hammersmith. They would then do the
journey anti-clockwise."

A very similar mistaken description to the last time the Standard ran the
story a few months back. *IIRC was discussed here at the time...

Paul S

Identical nonsense in The London Paper I noticed.

Anyway, I really can't see Edgware Road being workable with the number
of crossing movements. And for the punters, you'd never know which
side of the bridge to run to to get to the Notting Hill direction (bad
enough now).

Given that cross-platform change is only 50 : 50 anyway, the only way
I could see it working would be with major remodelling (two new
crossovers?) so that terminating trains could use the island platform
3/4 and trains to/from Hammersmith on the other side. At least you'd
always know where to stand.

The "Lasso Line"
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 20:22:56 on Thu, 5
Mar 2009, Peter Smyth remarked:
6tph Hammersmith - Barking
6tph Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Aldgate - Victoria - Edgware Road

So Paddington (Circle line station) to KX will *always* require a
change of train at Edgware Rd. Clockwise, anyway.

Yes, but anyone going from Paddington east should use the H&C platforms
which will have an increased frequency.

6tph Uxbridge - Aldgate
6tph Wimbledon - Edgware Road

Any of these stopping short at High St Ken?

The Olympia trains will still stop at HSK.

Peter Smyth