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John Rowland wrote:
"david stevenson" wrote in message
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Richard J. wrote:

Er, what happens to the other 6 tph going west?

Reading? (he asks, knowingly in vain)

A few months ago, they were planned to terminate at Paddington! I guess
that this is still the case.


When I asked about this, I was told that the Western destination of the
missing 6tph was still under consideration, but that it probably wouldn't
be Paddington. My betting is still on Slough (replacing existing local
services). Electrification from Airport Junction to Slough would be pretty
straightforward to implement and there is room for turnback sidings at
Slough (if they are needed).

David

gwr4090 wrote:

Er, what happens to the other 6 tph going west?

Reading? (he asks, knowingly in vain)

A few months ago, they were planned to terminate at Paddington! I guess
that this is still the case.

When I asked about this, I was told that the Western destination of the
missing 6tph was still under consideration, but that it probably wouldn't
be Paddington. My betting is still on Slough (replacing existing local
services). Electrification from Airport Junction to Slough would be pretty
straightforward to implement and there is room for turnback sidings at
Slough (if they are needed).

Is Crossrail going to include provision for 6-tracking of the GWML? I
seem to remember that this was suggested as far as either Airport
Junction or Reading.

Also has anyone thought of the performance pollution issues from the
south-western (Kingston) and south-eastern (Ebbsfleet) branches? If
everything goes tits up between Twickenham and Richmond this may affect
the whole of Crossrail.

Angus

Angus Bryant wrote:

Afternoon all

It seems that Crossrail has now (as of Friday 3rd Oct) confirmed an
underground station at Turnham Green as part of its Kingston branch.
Also the Custom House route is the preferred option for the North Kent
branch.

See pdfs on this page:

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/res...lcampaign.html

Cheers
Angus

No connection with the Victoria or Piccadilly (except at Heathrow).

Dr. Sunil wrote:
Angus Bryant wrote:

Afternoon all

It seems that Crossrail has now (as of Friday 3rd Oct) confirmed an
underground station at Turnham Green as part of its Kingston branch.
Also the Custom House route is the preferred option for the North
Kent branch.

See pdfs on this page:

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/res...lcampaign.html

Cheers
Angus

No connection with the Victoria or Piccadilly (except at Heathrow).

.... unless LU stop all Piccadilly trains at Turnham Green, which I think the
latest plans make more likely.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

The whole of the Western options need examining again, the options for
the western lines are very limited and from what I have seen will not
provide much relief to Paddington. With the cost of the Western branch
to Richmond, will this really provide value for money when you
remember that Richmond has a quick link's at the moment into Waterloo
and has the District Line. The Western branch should go to Slough or
even Reading and longer distances at the eastern end, the cost of
electrification would more then offset the cost of the tunnel to the
Richmond branch and be a great deal less.

Martin




"Richard J." wrote in message ...
Dr. Sunil wrote:
Angus Bryant wrote:

Afternoon all

It seems that Crossrail has now (as of Friday 3rd Oct) confirmed an
underground station at Turnham Green as part of its Kingston branch.
Also the Custom House route is the preferred option for the North
Kent branch.

See pdfs on this page:

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/res...lcampaign.html

Cheers
Angus

No connection with the Victoria or Piccadilly (except at Heathrow).

... unless LU stop all Piccadilly trains at Turnham Green, which I think the
latest plans make more likely.

(Martin Whelton) wrote in message . com...
The whole of the Western options need examining again, the options for
the western lines are very limited and from what I have seen will not
provide much relief to Paddington. With the cost of the Western branch
to Richmond, will this really provide value for money when you
remember that Richmond has a quick link's at the moment into Waterloo
and has the District Line. The Western branch should go to Slough or
even Reading and longer distances at the eastern end, the cost of
electrification would more then offset the cost of the tunnel to the
Richmond branch and be a great deal less.

Martin




"Richard J." wrote in message ...
Dr. Sunil wrote:
Angus Bryant wrote:

Afternoon all

It seems that Crossrail has now (as of Friday 3rd Oct) confirmed an
underground station at Turnham Green as part of its Kingston branch.
Also the Custom House route is the preferred option for the North
Kent branch.

See pdfs on this page:

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/pages/res...lcampaign.html

Cheers
Angus

No connection with the Victoria or Piccadilly (except at Heathrow).

... unless LU stop all Piccadilly trains at Turnham Green, which I think the
latest plans make more likely.


With regards to South London, I believe an Outer Circle could be
constructed at litte expense (in context), using the East and West
London Lines, the North London Line, and lines in South London. This
probably wouldn't go out that far, but it would probably clear some
cross-london traffic and make the lines going in to the central area a
bit better

As for Crossrail, I believe Kingston is a good idea, personally I
would have the service divide into three in the West, assuming a 12tph
service in the central area, 4tph go to Aylesbury, 4tph to Reading,
and 4tph to Kingston. Heahrow is already accommodated well enough in
my view. Out eastwards I would send trains to Southend, Ipswich and
the Medway Towns, areas I believe the Government want to grow. I
haven't looked at the plans lately for Crossrail but I doubt they are
like my ideas. Probably mine are a bit impractical, although I am of
the belief that the tunnels would be better used for cross-london
mainline services, and have a similar setup north-south.

CJC wrote:
As for Crossrail, I believe Kingston is a good idea, personally I
would have the service divide into three in the West, assuming a 12tph
service in the central area, 4tph go to Aylesbury, 4tph to Reading,
and 4tph to Kingston.

It's supposed to be 24tph in the peak through the central area. Current
plans are 12tph to Richmond of which 4tph continue to Kingston, 6tph to
Heathrow, 6tph unspecified. The Aylesbury branch was dropped from Crossrail
plans some time ago.

Heahrow is already accommodated well enough in
my view.

I disagree. The Piccadilly is slow, cramped and often overcrowded. HEx only
goes to Paddington. If Heathrow is not to be utterly swamped by road
traffic when T5 opens (and, God forbid, if a third main runway is built),
then you must improve rail access. Note that Crossrail will *replace* HEx.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)