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On Thu, 7 May 2009 11:23:32 +0100, wrote:

"Tony Polson" wrote in message
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Yes, they started off with 1929 "Standard" Stock, which had some of the
traction equipment mounted above the floor in motor cars. It was
intended that the Standard Stock would last for 10 years,

Any Standard Stock still lying about, say stabled out of sight at Ryde St.
John's? Do they ever take them out for a bit of a joyride?

None on the Island, some was returned to London and is stored at the
Acton Museum Depot. It is unrestored and none operational.
I doubt if it will ever run again. By the time funds are found to
restore it I would think any lines it could run on would have been
modernised with signaling systems that would be incompatable with an
old train.

How so? Would not the Standards have been equipped with the same safety
devices, such as trip cocks? Would a restored Standard running on the
Piccadilly or the Metropolitan really present much of a problem?

BTW, I recently passed the LT Museum at Covent Garden, and I saw that a
nostalgia run is take place on the Metropolitan with locomotive hauled
trains. IIRC, these haven't run in proper for at least 45 years. Is this
much of a problem?

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Unfortunately, both the LUL A62 and ex-BR Class 313 stock are too tall
for the tunnel at Ryde St John's Road, whose tight clearances define the
structure gauge for the Island Line.

Fair enough. But would it actually be feasible to bring in 67Ts stock or
would too many modifications indeed be required? If that is the case, I
noticed that some of Victoria Line trains' current make ups consist of
72Ts stock. Would there be enough of them for the Island Line's
requirements?

And what about the 83Ts, which used to run on the Jubilee, as an option?
Those actually might be good for the Island line, because I believe that
they required guards.

None left.

I thought that they had a decent amount of them lying about in various
depots. Assuming that they don't, then what models would be the most likely
candidate for the IOW?

I know that 83s are long can from revenue service, but are any of them
running around just for work purposes?

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On Sat, 9 May 2009 10:41:15 +0100, wrote:

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On Thu, 7 May 2009 11:23:32 +0100, wrote:

"Tony Polson" wrote in message
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Yes, they started off with 1929 "Standard" Stock, which had some of the
traction equipment mounted above the floor in motor cars. It was
intended that the Standard Stock would last for 10 years,

Any Standard Stock still lying about, say stabled out of sight at Ryde St.
John's? Do they ever take them out for a bit of a joyride?

None on the Island, some was returned to London and is stored at the
Acton Museum Depot. It is unrestored and none operational.
I doubt if it will ever run again. By the time funds are found to
restore it I would think any lines it could run on would have been
modernised with signaling systems that would be incompatable with an
old train.

How so? Would not the Standards have been equipped with the same safety
devices, such as trip cocks? Would a restored Standard running on the
Piccadilly or the Metropolitan really present much of a problem?

BTW, I recently passed the LT Museum at Covent Garden, and I saw that a
nostalgia run is take place on the Metropolitan with locomotive hauled
trains. IIRC, these haven't run in proper for at least 45 years. Is this
much of a problem?

Past runs over the Met. have involved the fitting of trip apparatus to
steam locos (and c.20s ?). Sarah Siddons has been so equipped either
since new or whenever tripgear was introduced on the Met.

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In article ,
(Tony Polson) wrote:

Yes, they started off with 1929 "Standard" Stock,

The Standard stock was built between 1923 and 1934. The IOW stock covered
the whole date range, meaning that the oldest cars were 66 years old when
finally replaced by 1938 stock. That has now reached an even greater age
of course.

In both cases they waited till after the bulk of the stock had been
withdrawn before deciding to send it to the Island. This meant that much
of the Standard stock came from the Northern City Line, now part of the GN
suburban system, because that was where the stock last ran in LT service.
So lots of better 1930s-built stock was scrapped before it could be sent
to the island and they had an amazing number of control trailers and
demobbed control trailers, because the Northern City had loads of them
while the Piccadilly and Central had had very few.

There was even less 1938 stock around when it was needed but the Island
got far less stock than had been provided in 1967. Today's 2-car units
compare with 3- and 4-car units formed into 7 car trains in the past.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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Out of all of them, I reckon the BR NSE livey worked the best. Now,
did you ever get the 485/6s in BR NSE livery? My day out at the IoW
was on a Network Day - 3 Quid for the entire NSE on a Sunday - a
few IC125s excepted - that'd make a TOC blanche. And I'm pretty
sure the Standard stock cars were in the current NSE livery.

The Standard stock was used with NSE livery, I'm sure. I don't have a
photo handy as it will be on paper and I'm not at home now.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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(rail) wrote:

Yes, 1929/1931 stock (class 485 in BR parlance). I'll post some photos
later.

Standard stock, built from 1923 to 1934.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(Peter Masson) wrote:

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Have they always used Tube stock on the Island Line since its
electrification in the 60s?
Yes - when it was electrified in 1967 they used 1926 stock, which
had come from the Piccadilly Line. This was replaced in the
mid-1980s by the current 1938 stock.

The 1926 stock was formed, on the Island, into 4 car sets with a
driving car at each end, labelled in SR tradition as 4VEC, and
3-car sets which IIRC only had a driving car at one end and
labelled 3TIS. On Summer Saturdays the holiday traffic required a
7-car train every 12 minutes - and there was a seprate service of
petrol-driven trams between Pier Head and Esplanade.

Not 1926 stock, but Standard stock, built from 1923 to 1934.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(Bill Hayles) wrote:

On Thu, 07 May 2009 07:39:45 +0100, rail
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Yes, 1929/1931 stock (class 485 in BR parlance). I'll post some photos
later.

I'm not picking on you specifically, Graeme, but everybody is giving
different dates for the standard stock.

nor me.

The earliest cars refurbished and shipped over were built in 1923, the
latest in 1931. The step plate on every door was engraved with the
maker's name and date of building. AFAIR there were 2 1923 cars (with a
central door pillar)

There were also 1934-built cars. I've not got my reference material to
hand or I'd tell you how many.

God, I'm getting old - I learnt all about standard stock when it was
running on the Central and Piccadilly lines (plus the Northern City line
for the pedants).

Not for pedants at all. Most of the IoW Standard stock last ran in London
on the Northern City Line.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
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On Thu, 07 May 2009 17:58:29 +0200, Bill Hayles
wrote:

On Thu, 07 May 2009 07:39:45 +0100, rail

wrote:

Yes, 1929/1931 stock (class 485 in BR parlance). I'll post some
photos later.


I'm not picking on you specifically, Graeme, but everybody is giving
different dates for the standard stock.

The earliest cars refurbished and shipped over were built in 1923, the
latest in 1931. The step plate on every door was engraved with the
maker's name and date of building. AFAIR there were 2 1923 cars (with a
central door pillar)

Somewhere I have seen it stated that one thing Standard about
Standard stock is that it did not keep to a Standard.

The control gear and brakes (upgraded to EP before the war) were pretty
standard and it could all form parts of the same trains.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article , noname (DW
downunder) wrote:

Out of all of them, I reckon the BR NSE livey worked the best. Now,
did you ever get the 485/6s in BR NSE livery? My day out at the IoW
was on a Network Day - 3 Quid for the entire NSE on a Sunday - a
few IC125s excepted - that'd make a TOC blanche. And I'm pretty
sure the Standard stock cars were in the current NSE livery.

The Standard stock was used with NSE livery, I'm sure. I don't have a
photo handy as it will be on paper and I'm not at home now.


Some pix he

Class 485/486 (Standard stock)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_485
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_486
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...hanklinstn.jpg
http://www.disusedrailways.co.uk/ima...ng%205.85a.jpg
http://freepages.nostalgia.rootsweb....tage/port6.jpg

Class 483 (1938 stock)
http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib019/IOWTUBE.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ht_483_001.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/mikesbuspages/IOWR38stock.jpg