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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
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In message , DW downunder
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Unfortunately, both the LUL A62 and ex-BR Class 313 stock are too tall
for the tunnel at Ryde St John's Road, whose tight clearances define
the
structure gauge for the Island Line.

Fair enough. But would it actually be feasible to bring in 67Ts stock or
would too many modifications indeed be required? If that is the case, I
noticed that some of Victoria Line trains' current make ups consist of
72Ts stock. Would there be enough of them for the Island Line's
requirements?

And what about the 83Ts, which used to run on the Jubilee, as an option?
Those actually might be good for the Island line, because I believe that
they required guards.

None left.

Not true - there's at least a set anna arf in Sarf Harrer sidings. Now if
they ever turn a wheel in anger again is an exercise for the reader.
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Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
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Yep, was aware of them, and the condition reports about them that are
floating about. In reality, the 67/72 stock offer a better scope for
repurposing: more to choose from, more available for spares, currently still
operational, could be supplied with the balance of the spare parts if not
otherwise required. At best, the remaining 83ts offer scope for a display in
a museum of technology alongside the Ford Edsel, in the hall marked:
"remembering our failures!"

Regards

David

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(Tony Polson) wrote:

Class 485/486 (Standard stock)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...hanklinstn.jpg

Only this one is in NSE livery, of course. Apart from the paintwork, other
changes were the sealing up of cab doors and other front end changes.

Class 483 (1938 stock)
http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib019/IOWTUBE.JPG

The foreground of this picture shows the course of the pier tramway.

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In article ,
(Tony Polson) wrote:

Class 485/486 (Standard stock)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...hanklinstn.jpg

Only this one is in NSE livery, of course. Apart from the paintwork, other
changes were the sealing up of cab doors and other front end changes.

Class 483 (1938 stock)
http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib019/IOWTUBE.JPG

The foreground of this picture shows the course of the pier tramway.


Thanks Colin. I realise there was only one shot of the Standard stock
in NSE, but thought the other photos were also worth linking to for
general interest.

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In article ,
(Tony Polson) wrote:

Class 485/486 (Standard stock)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...hanklinstn.jpg

Only this one is in NSE livery, of course. Apart from the paintwork, other
changes were the sealing up of cab doors and other front end changes.

I don't recall the solid yellow front, and the Island outline/Ryde rail logo
from my visit. Anyone know whether this is a Mk II NSE treatment? Now wish
I'd bought a camera back then -;)

Regards

David down under

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"DW downunder" noname wrote:
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In article ,
(Tony Polson) wrote:

Class 485/486 (Standard stock)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...hanklinstn.jpg

Only this one is in NSE livery, of course. Apart from the paintwork, other
changes were the sealing up of cab doors and other front end changes.

I don't recall the solid yellow front, and the Island outline/Ryde rail logo
from my visit. Anyone know whether this is a Mk II NSE treatment? Now wish
I'd bought a camera back then -;)


It is quite possibly a later treatment, because the blue stripe over the
windows is the later, darker NSE shade. If there was an earlier NSE
treatment, the blue would have been much lighter and the white and red
stripes under the windows would have swept up sharply at the unit ends.
Do you recall that?

I have no recollection of either of these liveries as my first ever
visit to the IOW - apart from a brief return trip on the hovercraft from
Southsea - was to travel on the Class 483 1938 stock. The Class 485/6
Standard stock was still on the Island in the livery shown on the photo,
but in quite a tatty state.

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"Tony Polson" wrote in message
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"DW downunder" noname wrote:
wrote in message
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In article ,
(Tony Polson) wrote:

Class 485/486 (Standard stock)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...hanklinstn.jpg

Only this one is in NSE livery, of course. Apart from the paintwork,
other
changes were the sealing up of cab doors and other front end changes.

I don't recall the solid yellow front, and the Island outline/Ryde rail
logo
from my visit. Anyone know whether this is a Mk II NSE treatment? Now wish
I'd bought a camera back then -;)


It is quite possibly a later treatment, because the blue stripe over the
windows is the later, darker NSE shade. If there was an earlier NSE
treatment, the blue would have been much lighter and the white and red
stripes under the windows would have swept up sharply at the unit ends.
Do you recall that?

Yes, I'm getting old, eh?


I have no recollection of either of these liveries as my first ever
visit to the IOW - apart from a brief return trip on the hovercraft from
Southsea - was to travel on the Class 483 1938 stock. The Class 485/6
Standard stock was still on the Island in the livery shown on the photo,
but in quite a tatty state.


The MkII NSE form isn't as pleasing to the eye, which might explain why the
current 483 presentation hasn't raised so many hackles.

Cheers

David down under

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"DW downunder" noname wrote:
"Tony Polson" wrote:
"DW downunder" noname wrote:

I don't recall the solid yellow front, and the Island outline/Ryde rail
logo
from my visit. Anyone know whether this is a Mk II NSE treatment? Now wish
I'd bought a camera back then -;)


It is quite possibly a later treatment, because the blue stripe over the
windows is the later, darker NSE shade. If there was an earlier NSE
treatment, the blue would have been much lighter and the white and red
stripes under the windows would have swept up sharply at the unit ends.
Do you recall that?

Yes, I'm getting old, eh?


You and me both, then. ;-)


I have no recollection of either of these liveries as my first ever
visit to the IOW - apart from a brief return trip on the hovercraft from
Southsea - was to travel on the Class 483 1938 stock. The Class 485/6
Standard stock was still on the Island in the livery shown on the photo,
but in quite a tatty state.


The MkII NSE form isn't as pleasing to the eye, which might explain why the
current 483 presentation hasn't raised so many hackles.


Almost anything is an improvement on the dinosaurs. ;-)

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"Tony Polson" wrote in message
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Some pix he

Class 485/486 (Standard stock)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_485
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_486
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...hanklinstn.jpg
http://www.disusedrailways.co.uk/ima...ng%205.85a.jpg
http://freepages.nostalgia.rootsweb....tage/port6.jpg

Is any footage of the Standards available on Youtube?

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"Tony Polson" wrote in message
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Some pix he

Class 485/486 (Standard stock)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_485
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_486
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...hanklinstn.jpg
http://www.disusedrailways.co.uk/ima...ng%205.85a.jpg
http://freepages.nostalgia.rootsweb....tage/port6.jpg

Is any footage of the Standards available on Youtube?


Good question. What is stopping you doing a search?

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In article ,
(Bill Hayles) wrote:

The earliest cars refurbished and shipped over were built in 1923, the
latest in 1931. The step plate on every door was engraved with the
maker's name and date of building. AFAIR there were 2 1923 cars (with
a central door pillar)

There were also 1934-built cars. I've not got my reference material
to hand or I'd tell you how many.

I've now checked the LT car numbers as given on Wikipaedia against my Ian
Allan ABC London Transport Railways 1963 edition and 5 were 1934 stock.
This included BR car number 10 (LT number 3696) which was bought as a
spare. Did it ever run in service on the Island? Only six of th driving
motor cars were from the 1923-30 batches with the others from the 1931
batch.

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Colin Rosenstiel