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The Real Underground Map
I've been reading some posts recently that asked about the
availability of a geographical underground map. FYI, I have designed a flash animation with collaboration with the London Transport Museum that shows the relationship between the London Underground Map, a geographical map and shows a streetmap too - just in case there are any doubters. Just thought you might find it interesting... Click on the link to The Real Underground at: http://www.fourthway.co.uk |
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The Real Underground Map
In message , Sam
writes I've been reading some posts recently that asked about the availability of a geographical underground map. FYI, I have designed a flash animation with collaboration with the London Transport Museum that shows the relationship between the London Underground Map, a geographical map and shows a streetmap too - just in case there are any doubters. Just thought you might find it interesting... Click on the link to The Real Underground at: http://www.fourthway.co.uk Fantastic! -- Simon. |
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"Sam" wrote in message
om... I've been reading some posts recently that asked about the availability of a geographical underground map. FYI, I have designed a flash animation with collaboration with the London Transport Museum that shows the relationship between the London Underground Map, a geographical map and shows a streetmap too - just in case there are any doubters. Just thought you might find it interesting... Click on the link to The Real Underground at: http://www.fourthway.co.uk Extremely well done; I think it has been mentioned on this NG before.... Perhaps in the planning stage. Beck, of course, wanted the Central line to be as straight as possible through the centre. I always thought that a better version would be to have the Circle Line as a perfect circle... Do you think you could do that? It might look really good! Alan |
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" Extremely well done; I think it has been mentioned on this NG before.... Perhaps in the planning stage. Beck, of course, wanted the Central line to be as straight as possible through the centre. I always thought that a better version would be to have the Circle Line as a perfect circle... Do you think you could do that? It might look really good! Alan Facists, right-wing mercenaries! (Though I actually have to admit I love your genuine love of the underground!, now if only I could get you all to be ardent Millwall surporters as all good RMT members are, as one time aslef sc3 rep Godwin is, and hopefully his replacement Wilkinson will soon be - though currently he is a right-wing Chelsea surpporter, though all is not lost for that Canning Town inhabitant?) But comrades, I digress, the real reason I responded to this post being that in the London Underground internal magazine, in the fortnightly horoscope, my prediction being: "You feel like your life is going around in circles, but cheer up, there is light at the end of the tunnel"............ How prophetic, Millwall, MILLWALL......... Bob |
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Peter Sumner wrote:
On 8 Oct 2003 16:51:47 -0700, (Sam) wrote: I've been reading some posts recently that asked about the availability of a geographical underground map. FYI, I have designed a flash animation with collaboration with the London Transport Museum that shows the relationship between the London Underground Map, a geographical map and shows a streetmap too - just in case there are any doubters. Just thought you might find it interesting... Click on the link to The Real Underground at: http://www.fourthway.co.uk Its fascinating, I'd seen it before but had not noticed you could superimpose the street map. One small issue is that in the cartographic version Farringdon (I think) has been incorrectly labeled as Moorgate. It's a shame you have not indicated the positions of all of the stations, then I could be sure it was Farringdon and not Barbican. Yes, it is Farringdon, because that's where the bend in the Circle line occurs. It's very well done, even including gradual colour changes for the lines that changed colour after 1933 (e.g. Bakerloo red to brown). If I may suggest one change, it would be to include the kink in the Waterloo and City, which runs from Waterloo to Blackfriars, then turns right to run underneath Queen Victoria Street (nearly) as far as Bank. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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simon wrote in message ...
In message , Sam writes I've been reading some posts recently that asked about the availability of a geographical underground map. FYI, I have designed a flash animation with collaboration with the London Transport Museum that shows the relationship between the London Underground Map, a geographical map and shows a streetmap too - just in case there are any doubters. Just thought you might find it interesting... Click on the link to The Real Underground at: http://www.fourthway.co.uk Fantastic! I really like that map, I've come across it before. Good job. |
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"Richard J." wrote in message
... Peter Sumner wrote: On 8 Oct 2003 16:51:47 -0700, (Sam) wrote: I've been reading some posts recently that asked about the availability of a geographical underground map. FYI, I have designed a flash animation with collaboration with the London Transport Museum that shows the relationship between the London Underground Map, a geographical map and shows a streetmap too - just in case there are any doubters. Just thought you might find it interesting... Click on the link to The Real Underground at: http://www.fourthway.co.uk Its fascinating, I'd seen it before but had not noticed you could superimpose the street map. One small issue is that in the cartographic version Farringdon (I think) has been incorrectly labeled as Moorgate. It's a shame you have not indicated the positions of all of the stations, then I could be sure it was Farringdon and not Barbican. Yes, it is Farringdon, because that's where the bend in the Circle line occurs. It's very well done, even including gradual colour changes for the lines that changed colour after 1933 (e.g. Bakerloo red to brown). If I may suggest one change, it would be to include the kink in the Waterloo and City, which runs from Waterloo to Blackfriars, then turns right to run underneath Queen Victoria Street (nearly) as far as Bank. If there are any more criticisms then the map is simply going to be thrown into the dustbin. OK? Alan |
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Alan O'Brien wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message ... Peter Sumner wrote: On 8 Oct 2003 16:51:47 -0700, (Sam) wrote: I've been reading some posts recently that asked about the availability of a geographical underground map. FYI, I have designed a flash animation with collaboration with the London Transport Museum that shows the relationship between the London Underground Map, a geographical map and shows a streetmap too - just in case there are any doubters. Just thought you might find it interesting... Click on the link to The Real Underground at: http://www.fourthway.co.uk Its fascinating, I'd seen it before but had not noticed you could superimpose the street map. One small issue is that in the cartographic version Farringdon (I think) has been incorrectly labeled as Moorgate. It's a shame you have not indicated the positions of all of the stations, then I could be sure it was Farringdon and not Barbican. Yes, it is Farringdon, because that's where the bend in the Circle line occurs. It's very well done, even including gradual colour changes for the lines that changed colour after 1933 (e.g. Bakerloo red to brown). If I may suggest one change, it would be to include the kink in the Waterloo and City, which runs from Waterloo to Blackfriars, then turns right to run underneath Queen Victoria Street (nearly) as far as Bank. If there are any more criticisms then the map is simply going to be thrown into the dustbin. OK? You'd better tell that to the bloke that asked for a circular Circle line, then. ;-) -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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"Richard J." wrote in message ... Alan O'Brien wrote: "Richard J." wrote in message ... Peter Sumner wrote: On 8 Oct 2003 16:51:47 -0700, (Sam) wrote: I've been reading some posts recently that asked about the availability of a geographical underground map. FYI, I have designed a flash animation with collaboration with the London Transport Museum that shows the relationship between the London Underground Map, a geographical map and shows a streetmap too - just in case there are any doubters. Just thought you might find it interesting... Click on the link to The Real Underground at: http://www.fourthway.co.uk Its fascinating, I'd seen it before but had not noticed you could superimpose the street map. One small issue is that in the cartographic version Farringdon (I think) has been incorrectly labeled as Moorgate. It's a shame you have not indicated the positions of all of the stations, then I could be sure it was Farringdon and not Barbican. Yes, it is Farringdon, because that's where the bend in the Circle line occurs. It's very well done, even including gradual colour changes for the lines that changed colour after 1933 (e.g. Bakerloo red to brown). If I may suggest one change, it would be to include the kink in the Waterloo and City, which runs from Waterloo to Blackfriars, then turns right to run underneath Queen Victoria Street (nearly) as far as Bank. If there are any more criticisms then the map is simply going to be thrown into the dustbin. OK? You'd better tell that to the bloke that asked for a circular Circle line, then. Fair enough. Actually, now I think about it, a rectangular Circle Line would be easier. Alan |
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Alan O'Brien wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message ... Alan O'Brien wrote: If there are any more criticisms then the map is simply going to be thrown into the dustbin. OK? You'd better tell that to the bloke that asked for a circular Circle line, then. Fair enough. Actually, now I think about it, a rectangular Circle Line would be easier. Alan The Beck diagram had a rectangular Circle Line from 1954 to 1959. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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om... Click on the link to The Real Underground at: http://www.fourthway.co.uk Excellent! Since the Beck and the geographical are more similar to each other than either is to the current geometrical, would it be possible to switch between them without going via the current geographical? (I don't have a clue how much effort it would be to achieve this: apologies if I've asked for too much.) -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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"Richard J." wrote the following in:
Alan O'Brien wrote: "Richard J." wrote in message ... Alan O'Brien wrote: If there are any more criticisms then the map is simply going to be thrown into the dustbin. OK? You'd better tell that to the bloke that asked for a circular Circle line, then. Fair enough. Actually, now I think about it, a rectangular Circle Line would be easier. Alan The Beck diagram had a rectangular Circle Line from 1954 to 1959. And there was a prototype drawing by Beck of an oval shaped circle line. -- message by Robin May, consumer of liquids Hello. I'm one of those "roaring fascists of the left wing". Hacker is to computer as boy racer is to Ford Escort. |
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(Sam) wrote in message . com...
I've been reading some posts recently that asked about the availability of a geographical underground map. FYI, I have designed a flash animation with collaboration with the London Transport Museum that shows the relationship between the London Underground Map, a geographical map and shows a streetmap too - just in case there are any doubters. Just thought you might find it interesting... Click on the link to The Real Underground at: http://www.fourthway.co.uk That is excellent! Working for the Underground, I have to admit that I've been having sacrilegious thoughts about the Beck type map for a while now. It may be time we thought about having a more realistic version for visitors to London; if only to replace the Connections map. Kat |
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(Kat) wrote the following in:
m (Sam) wrote in message . com... I've been reading some posts recently that asked about the availability of a geographical underground map. FYI, I have designed a flash animation with collaboration with the London Transport Museum that shows the relationship between the London Underground Map, a geographical map and shows a streetmap too - just in case there are any doubters. Just thought you might find it interesting... Click on the link to The Real Underground at: http://www.fourthway.co.uk That is excellent! Working for the Underground, I have to admit that I've been having sacrilegious thoughts about the Beck type map for a while now. It may be time we thought about having a more realistic version for visitors to London; if only to replace the Connections map. I do think it would be a good idea to have both a geographical map and a diagrammatic map at stations. If you are familiar with the diagrammatical map it can be really quite surprising to see how close some stations are, how far apart others are and how they're really geographically related. -- message by Robin May, consumer of liquids Hello. I'm one of those "roaring fascists of the left wing". Hacker is to computer as boy racer is to Ford Escort. |
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Robin May wrote in message I do think it would be a good idea to have both a geographical map and
a diagrammatic map at stations. If you are familiar with the diagrammatical map it can be really quite surprising to see how close some stations are, how far apart others are and how they're really geographically related. Indeed! I remember a few years ago (before I knew any better) getting off a train at Monument to change for the Central Line.... Kat posting from Downtown Toronto and trying to remember to look right when leaving a streetcar! |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:25:10 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote: Alan O'Brien wrote: "Richard J." wrote in message ... Alan O'Brien wrote: If there are any more criticisms then the map is simply going to be thrown into the dustbin. OK? You'd better tell that to the bloke that asked for a circular Circle line, then. Fair enough. Actually, now I think about it, a rectangular Circle Line would be easier. Alan The Beck diagram had a rectangular Circle Line from 1954 to 1959. Hey, Sam, how about changing the animation so it morphs from each version of the map to the next?? Now that *would* be good! ;-) Charlie -- Remove NO-SPOO-PLEASE from my email address to reply Please send no unsolicited email or foodstuffs |
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Thanks in part to the support of users of Google groups like this one,
the Real Underground flash animation is now accessible through the tube's website: http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/tubemap/default.asp It's also been one of the most blogged sites of recent months, has cropped up on undergraduate reading lists, design sites, and even been published in a few academic journals! So, if you've seen the site already, or emailed me asking about it, thanks for your support. Hopefully the site will be up at the address above for the forseeable future. I'm currently looking at the possibilities of further development, including putting in all the stations, and morphing through a series of historical maps. Let me know if you have any suggestions! In case you've not seen it before, it's an animation showing the relationship between the tube map and the geographical reality. If you're interested in design history, you can also see how it relates to Beck's first classic schematic subway map of 1933. Sam Rich http://www.fourthway.co.uk CMOT TMPV wrote in message et... Once upon a time -- around about 10/19/03 14:58 -- possibly wrote: On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:25:10 GMT, "Richard J." wrote: Alan O'Brien wrote: "Richard J." wrote in message ... Alan O'Brien wrote: If there are any more criticisms then the map is simply going to be thrown into the dustbin. OK? You'd better tell that to the bloke that asked for a circular Circle line, then. Fair enough. Actually, now I think about it, a rectangular Circle Line would be easier. Alan The Beck diagram had a rectangular Circle Line from 1954 to 1959. Hey, Sam, how about changing the animation so it morphs from each version of the map to the next?? Now that *would* be good! ;-) I notice this same morphing map is posted on the tube's map page. It's been there for quite some time and I've seen it before. -- E |
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"Sam" wrote in message om... Thanks in part to the support of users of Google groups like this one, the Real Underground flash animation is now accessible through the tube's website: http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/tubemap/default.asp It's also been one of the most blogged sites of recent months, has cropped up on undergraduate reading lists, design sites, and even been published in a few academic journals! So, if you've seen the site already, or emailed me asking about it, thanks for your support. Hopefully the site will be up at the address above for the forseeable future. I'm currently looking at the possibilities of further development, including putting in all the stations, and morphing through a series of historical maps. Let me know if you have any suggestions! [snip] Actually, what I would like is an up to date copy of the tube map I have in front of me. Mine is the 1966 edition, and it calls itself, "London's Transport Systems". It's a "real" map, as opposed to a diagram. It shows the tube lines in their diagramatic colours, and railways as well, with the bus network in the background acting as a street map. I do have a later edition, that I got from the American School, in St. Johns Wood, but it only shows the school's catchment area. I don't know if they still do it. Jeremy Parker |
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