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2009 09:23:24 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield
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On Mon, 18 May 2009 13:24:51 +0100, Walter Briscoe
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Would you expect:
London Terminals to Kemble to allow Moorgate to Paddington;


No I would not.

Oxford to London Terminals to allow Paddington to Moorgate?


No I would not. You will now go and do a test run and come up with
results that differ from my expectation.


I did so. On the way out, London Terminals to Kemble was rejected at
Moorgate, but accepted at Paddington - Lawn gates. On the return trip,
Oxford to London Terminals was swallowed by the gates at Paddington NR,
platforms 2/3 and my opportunity to experiment vanished.


The whole issue here is whether the LU gate is set to be "London
Terminals" plus whether the ticket is encoded via travel via Zone 1.
It's a long time since I did detailed coding stuff but in both of your
examples you will not be able to exit at the LUL destination station as
Zone 1 is not encoded. It's possible the gates at Moorgate might let you
in because that does act as London Terminals. I don't know what is set
up for Paddington given the advent of FGW's gates plus the complications
of both magnetic and Oyster OSIs being present.


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On a similar theme, I recently had to travel across London, and
decided to walk to Piccadilly Circus from Charing Cross. However, my
ticket did not work and when I presented it to a LU member of staff I
was denied access as she informed me that it was only valid from
terminus to terminus.

I had walked because it was a lovely warm evening and I had time to
spare. Was she right?

Thanks

Ken Wilshire

On 27 May, 07:03, Walter Briscoe wrote:
In message of Tue, 19 May
2009 09:23:24 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield
writes

On Mon, 18 May 2009 13:24:51 +0100, Walter Briscoe
wrote:


[snip]

Would you expect:
London Terminals to Kemble to allow Moorgate to Paddington;


No I would not.


Oxford to London Terminals to allow Paddington to Moorgate?


No I would not. * You will now go and do a test run and come up with
results that differ from my expectation.


I did so. On the way out, London Terminals to Kemble was rejected at
Moorgate, but accepted at Paddington - Lawn gates. On the return trip,
Oxford to London Terminals was swallowed by the gates at Paddington NR,
platforms 2/3 and my opportunity to experiment vanished.



The whole issue here is whether the LU gate is set to be "London
Terminals" plus whether the ticket is encoded via travel via Zone 1.
It's a long time since I did detailed coding stuff but in both of your
examples you will not be able to exit at the LUL destination station as
Zone 1 is not encoded. It's possible the gates at Moorgate might let you
in because that does act as London Terminals. *I don't know what is set
up for Paddington given the advent of FGW's gates plus the complications
of both magnetic and Oyster OSIs being present.


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Paul

It was a single ticket from Cheam to Ton Pentre (AP Slough).

Thanks

Ken



On 27 May, 21:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:12:29 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On a similar theme, I recently had to travel across London, and
decided to walk to Piccadilly Circus from Charing Cross. *However, my
ticket did not work and when I presented it to a LU member of staff I
was denied access as she informed me that it was only valid from
terminus to terminus.


I had walked because it was a lovely warm evening and I had time to
spare. *Was she right?


Thanks


Ken Wilshire


To be able to answer your question you really need to say what was on
your ticket - in other words was it set for "Cross London" using the
tube given you started at one NR station and were travelling to another
one or did your ticket start at "U1" and was issued to a NR destination.

Armed with a bit more info it's easier to say whether the staff member
was correct or not.
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Paul C




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