Above or Below Ground???
 

Is there somewhere online I can find out which tube stations are underground
and which are above ground? Or if not online, somewhere I can buy a book
with that information. It seems like an easy request, but my research hasn't
got me very far.

-- E

--
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"CMOT TMPV" wrote in message
t...
Is there somewhere online I can find out which tube stations are
underground
and which are above ground?

Underground sections of deep tube lines (all sections are inclusive, i.e.
named stations are underground):

Bakerloo: Elephant to Kilburn Park
Central: Mile End to Shepherds Bush, also Wanstead to Gants Hill
Jubilee: Swiss Cottage to North Greenwich
Northern: South Wimbledon (via Bank or Charing Cross) to Highgate or
Hampstead
Piccadilly: Earls Court to Bounds Green, also Southgate, also Hatton Cross
to Hatton Cross via Heathrow. Whether Hounslow West is below ground is
debatable.
Victoria: all
Waterloo & City: both stations are in tunnel.

There are tunnels with no station in them between the following open-air
stations: between Stratford and Leyton, and between Hendon Central and
Colindale.

Between Hounslow West and Hatton Cross the trains are above ground briefly
to pass over the River Crane.

I'll let someone else do the 5 subsurface lines...

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Above or Below Ground???
 

CMOT TMPV wrote in message et...
Is there somewhere online I can find out which tube stations are underground
and which are above ground? Or if not online, somewhere I can buy a book
with that information. It seems like an easy request, but my research hasn't
got me very far.

This is strictly to the best of my knowledge and off the top of my
head! Corrections welcome...

O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

Northern Line:
O Morden
T South Wimbledon - Charing X / Bank - Hampstead / Highgate
O Golders Green - Edgware
O East Finchley - Mill Hill East / High Barnet

Victoria Line
T All Stations

Waterloo And City Line
T Bank
C Waterloo (with one end open to Waterloo Depot)

Bakerloo Line
T Elephant & Castle - Kilburn Park
O Kilburn Park - Harrow & Wealdstone

Central Line
O West Ruislip / Ealing Broadway - White City
T Shepherds Bush - Bethnal Green
C Mile End
O Stratford - Snaresbrook - Epping / Newbury Park
T Wanstead - Gants Hill

Piccadilly Line
T Heathrow T4 & Heathrow T123
C Hatton Cross - Hounslow West
O Uxbridge / Hounslow Central - Barons Court
T Earls Court - Bounds Green
O Arnos Grove
C Southgate
O Oakwood & Cockfosters

Jubliee Line
O Stanmore - Finchley Road
T Swiss Cottage - North Greenwich / Charing Cross (Alright - CX not
strictly part of the Jubilee line anymore...)
O Canning Town - Stratford

Metropolitan
O Uxbridge / Watford / Amersham / Chesham - Finchley Road
U Baker St.
C Great Portland St. - Kings Cross St Pancras
O Farringdon
U Barbican
C Moorgate
U Liverpool St. & Aldgate

Hammersmith & City
O Hammersmith - Paddington
U Edgware Road
C Baker St.
[See Metropolitan]
[See District]

District Line
O Ealing Broadway / Richmond - West Kensington
O Wimbledon - Parsons Green
C Fulham Broadway (Only recently mind you!)
O West Brompton
U Earls court
C Glocester Road
U South Kensington - Sloane Square
C Victoria - Tower Hill
U Aldage East - Whitechapel
C Stepney Green - Bow Road
O Bromley By Bow - Upminster
U High St. Kensington - Edgware Road

Circle Line
[See Metropolitan]
[See District]

East London Line
O Shoreditch - Whitechapel
U Shadwell
C (T??) Wapping
C Rotherhithe - Canada Water
O Surrey Quays - New Cross / New Cross Gate.

Hope this helps!
Si.

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Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Simon Clarke
), in message
who said:
O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

Central Line
O West Ruislip / Ealing Broadway - White City
T Shepherds Bush - Bethnal Green
C Mile End
O Stratford - Snaresbrook - Epping / Newbury Park
T Wanstead - Gants Hill


Redbridge is more accurately C


Piccadilly Line
T Heathrow T4 & Heathrow T123
C Hatton Cross - Hounslow West
O Uxbridge / Hounslow Central - Barons Court
T Earls Court - Bounds Green
O Arnos Grove
C Southgate
O Oakwood & Cockfosters


Southgate is more accurately T

BTN

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Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was John Rowland
), in message
who said:
"CMOT TMPV" wrote in message
t...
Is there somewhere online I can find out which tube stations are
underground and which are above ground?

Underground sections of deep tube lines (all sections are inclusive,
i.e. named stations are underground):

Bakerloo: Elephant to Kilburn Park
Central: Mile End to Shepherds Bush, also Wanstead to Gants Hill
Jubilee: Swiss Cottage to North Greenwich
Northern: South Wimbledon (via Bank or Charing Cross) to Highgate or
Hampstead
Piccadilly: Earls Court to Bounds Green, also Southgate, also Hatton
Cross to Hatton Cross via Heathrow. Whether Hounslow West is below
ground is debatable.
Victoria: all
Waterloo & City: both stations are in tunnel.

There are tunnels with no station in them between the following
open-air stations: between Stratford and Leyton, and between Hendon
Central and Colindale.

Between Hounslow West and Hatton Cross the trains are above ground
briefly to pass over the River Crane.

I'll let someone else do the 5 subsurface lines...


They are far more subjective, depending on what constitutes 'above' or
'below'.

Several stations have platforms below street level, but a ceiling above
street level - e.g. Earls Court. Should the height of the roof, and whether
or not the cut is open make a difference? If so, then several stations are
by definition part underground, part overground, which is an unhappy
contradiction.

Additionally several stations were built in open cutting, but have since
been built upon - does this act change their status from 'above' to 'below'?

And if the presence of a building above defines a station as 'below', does
this mean that Canary Wharf DLR is underground?

BTN

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"Simon Clarke" wrote in message
om...

O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

Bakerloo Line
T Elephant & Castle - Kilburn Park
O Kilburn Park - Harrow & Wealdstone

The latter should, of course, be Queens Park - H&W.

Piccadilly Line
T Heathrow T4 & Heathrow T123
C Hatton Cross - Hounslow West
O Uxbridge / Hounslow Central - Barons Court
T Earls Court - Bounds Green
O Arnos Grove
C Southgate
O Oakwood & Cockfosters

Southgate is deep tube, despite having open air visible down one of the
running tunnels.
Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and there would
be no obvious reason to cover it.

Metropolitan
O Uxbridge / Watford / Amersham / Chesham - Finchley Road
U Baker St.
C Great Portland St. - Kings Cross St Pancras
O Farringdon
U Barbican
C Moorgate
U Liverpool St. & Aldgate

Great Portland Street is open at one end.

District Line
O Ealing Broadway / Richmond - West Kensington
O Wimbledon - Parsons Green
C Fulham Broadway (Only recently mind you!)
O West Brompton
U Earls court
C Glocester Road
U South Kensington - Sloane Square
C Victoria - Tower Hill
U Aldage East - Whitechapel
C Stepney Green - Bow Road
O Bromley By Bow - Upminster
U High St. Kensington - Edgware Road

Isn't Blackfriars partly open?
Bow Road is half open.
IIRC Stepney Green has a small garden which is open to the air, on a disused
bay platform adjacent to the eastbound.

East London Line
O Shoreditch - Whitechapel
U Shadwell
C (T??) Wapping
C Rotherhithe - Canada Water
O Surrey Quays - New Cross / New Cross Gate.

I think the north end of Wapping might be open.

--
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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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"John Rowland" wrote in
message
"Simon Clarke" wrote in message
om...

O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.

I think that, like many modern stations, it was built as an open box and
then roofed over. The running tunnels count as "T", but I suppose the
station itself is "C".

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In message , John Rowland
writes

Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and there would
be no obvious reason to cover it.

I'm not sure it is very deep, is it? I recall just stairs down to the
platforms - not even an escalator.

--
Paul Terry

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"Ben Nunn" wrote the following in:


And if the presence of a building above defines a station as
'below', does this mean that Canary Wharf DLR is underground?

There is no building above Canary Wharf DLR station. There are
buildings next to it, but the only thing above it is the station roof.

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"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
"Simon Clarke" wrote in message
om...

O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

Bakerloo Line
T Elephant & Castle - Kilburn Park
O Kilburn Park - Harrow & Wealdstone

The latter should, of course, be Queens Park - H&W.

Piccadilly Line
T Heathrow T4 & Heathrow T123
C Hatton Cross - Hounslow West
O Uxbridge / Hounslow Central - Barons Court
T Earls Court - Bounds Green
O Arnos Grove
C Southgate
O Oakwood & Cockfosters

Southgate is deep tube, despite having open air visible down one of the
running tunnels.
Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and there
would
be no obvious reason to cover it.

Metropolitan
O Uxbridge / Watford / Amersham / Chesham - Finchley Road
U Baker St.
C Great Portland St. - Kings Cross St Pancras
O Farringdon
U Barbican
C Moorgate
U Liverpool St. & Aldgate

Great Portland Street is open at one end.

District Line
O Ealing Broadway / Richmond - West Kensington
O Wimbledon - Parsons Green
C Fulham Broadway (Only recently mind you!)
O West Brompton
U Earls court
C Glocester Road
U South Kensington - Sloane Square
C Victoria - Tower Hill
U Aldage East - Whitechapel
C Stepney Green - Bow Road
O Bromley By Bow - Upminster
U High St. Kensington - Edgware Road

Isn't Blackfriars partly open?
Bow Road is half open.
IIRC Stepney Green has a small garden which is open to the air, on a
disused
bay platform adjacent to the eastbound.

East London Line
O Shoreditch - Whitechapel
U Shadwell
C (T??) Wapping
C Rotherhithe - Canada Water
O Surrey Quays - New Cross / New Cross Gate.

I think the north end of Wapping might be open.

Mile End is open just above the w/b Central platform.... it's where the
pigeons get in....


--
Kat in Downtown Toronto

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Robin May wrote:

"Ben Nunn" wrote the following in:


And if the presence of a building above defines a station as
'below', does this mean that Canary Wharf DLR is underground?

There is no building above Canary Wharf DLR station. There are
buildings next to it, but the only thing above it is the station roof.

Heron Quays, however, *is* a case in point, being as it is directly
under Lehman Brothers' new building. (Which is going to be very, very
nice inside when it's finished...)

--
James Farrar |
London, SE13 |

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James Farrar wrote:
Robin May wrote:

"Ben Nunn" wrote the following in:


And if the presence of a building above defines a station as
'below', does this mean that Canary Wharf DLR is underground?

There is no building above Canary Wharf DLR station. There are
buildings next to it, but the only thing above it is the station
roof.

Heron Quays, however, *is* a case in point, being as it is directly
under Lehman Brothers' new building. (Which is going to be very, very
nice inside when it's finished...)

I think you're confusing "underground" with "under cover". By no stretch of
the imagination is Heron Quays underground. It's on a viaduct for goodness
sake! But it is under cover. For a station to be regarded as
"underground", I suggest it needs to be below the local ground level and to
have no significant natural light reaching the platforms.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

East London Line
O Shoreditch - Whitechapel
U Shadwell
C (T??) Wapping
C Rotherhithe - Canada Water
O Surrey Quays - New Cross / New Cross Gate.

I think the north end of Wapping might be open.

--

It was when I lived there a few years ago, although I guess it just might
have been built over perhaps. (Incidentally I loved the damp smell of
Wapping station).

Andrew

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Paul Terry wrote:
In message , John Rowland
writes

Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.

I'm not sure it is very deep, is it? I recall just stairs down to the
platforms - not even an escalator.

Yes, there are 33 steps down to the platforms, which have flat ceilings and
are evidently cut-and-cover. The "obvious reason to cover it" is that the
exit from the bus station and the airport perimeter road are on top of it.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Richard J.
), in message
who said:
Paul Terry wrote:
In message , John Rowland
writes

Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.

I'm not sure it is very deep, is it? I recall just stairs down to the
platforms - not even an escalator.

Yes, there are 33 steps down to the platforms, which have flat
ceilings and are evidently cut-and-cover. The "obvious reason to
cover it" is that the exit from the bus station and the airport
perimeter road are on top of it.


I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

With the exception of staff working in the immediate area, anyone going to
the airport would surely use the two 'terminal' stations, and aside from an
under-occupied industrial estate there's not a lot in the area on the
non-airport side.

The only time in my life that I've used the station was as a pick-up point
on my world-record attempt, having just been around the Heathrow loop.

BTN

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In article , Ben Nunn wrote:

I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

With the exception of staff working in the immediate area, anyone going to
the airport would surely use the two 'terminal' stations, and aside from an
under-occupied industrial estate there's not a lot in the area on the
non-airport side.

The only time in my life that I've used the station was as a pick-up point
on my world-record attempt, having just been around the Heathrow loop.

I used to use it when I lived in Ealing - I'd get the tube from
Northfields and get off at Hatton Cross, then get the H26 bus from there
to Bedfont Lakes where I work.

Niklas
--
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only one point and were discovered by Euclid, who lived in the 6th century,
which was an era dominated by the Goths, who lived in what we now know as
Poland." - Unknown from Nov. 1998 issue of Infosystems Executive.

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"Ben Nunn" wrote in message

Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Richard J.
), in message
who said:
Paul Terry wrote:
In message , John Rowland
writes

Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.

I'm not sure it is very deep, is it? I recall just stairs down to
the platforms - not even an escalator.

Yes, there are 33 steps down to the platforms, which have flat
ceilings and are evidently cut-and-cover. The "obvious reason to
cover it" is that the exit from the bus station and the airport
perimeter road are on top of it.


I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

With the exception of staff working in the immediate area, anyone
going to the airport would surely use the two 'terminal' stations,
and aside from an under-occupied industrial estate there's not a lot
in the area on the non-airport side.

The only time in my life that I've used the station was as a pick-up
point on my world-record attempt, having just been around the
Heathrow loop.

Presumably there are a lot of airline staff who use it, plus those picking
up buses to go to/from local hotels, etc. Doesn't the airport run a free
bus service from there?

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In message , Ben Nunn
writes

I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

With the exception of staff working in the immediate area, anyone going to
the airport would surely use the two 'terminal' stations, and aside from an
under-occupied industrial estate there's not a lot in the area on the
non-airport side.

The only time in my life that I've used the station was as a pick-up point
on my world-record attempt, having just been around the Heathrow loop.

Some years ago I used to use Hatton Cross for parking when flying from
Heathrow for meetings in Manchester. The small car-park next to the
station always had plenty of room at 07:30 and it was either free or
very cheap to park there all day - certainly very, very much cheaper
than parking for a day at Heathrow itself, and more convenient than the
airport's long stay car-parks - just one stop on the tube.

Alas, I don't think that that has been possible for some years - I'm not
even sure the car park is still there.
--
Paul Terry

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"Nigel Pendse" wrote in message
...
"John Rowland" wrote in
message
"Simon Clarke" wrote in message
om...

O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.

I think that, like many modern stations, it was built as an open box and
then roofed over. The running tunnels count as "T", but I suppose the
station itself is "C".


The tunnel from Hounslow West, Hatton Cross station and a short length of
tunnel to the west are cut and cover. The bored tube tunnels start a short
distance west of the station.

Above or Below Ground???
 

Thanks for all the helpful replies so far!

-- E

--
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints; the sinners are
much more fun; only the good die young." -- Billy Joel

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In message , Ben Nunn
writes
I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

With the exception of staff working in the immediate area, anyone going
to the airport would surely use the two 'terminal' stations, and aside
from an under-occupied industrial estate there's not a lot in the area
on the non-airport side.

The only time in my life that I've used the station was as a pick-up
point on my world-record attempt, having just been around the Heathrow
loop.

Anyone who lives in Twickenham, as the local bus (490) goes from there
rather than Heathrow.
Also handy and faster for dropping off people who have little luggage,
rather than suffer the ring-road and tunnel.


--
Martin @ Strawberry Hill

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In article , Usenet wrote:
In message , Ben Nunn
writes
I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

Anyone who lives in Twickenham, as the local bus (490) goes from there
rather than Heathrow.

That is indeed how I've gotten to/from Heathrow the few times I've
needed to.

Niklas
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deep in the wood, the moon is shining on you and that cute witch, and suddenly
one of the druids gets out his cheap casio keyboard and plays Scotland the
Brave. Brrrr...." -- Feanor