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Is there somewhere online I can find out which tube stations are underground
and which are above ground? Or if not online, somewhere I can buy a book
with that information. It seems like an easy request, but my research hasn't
got me very far.

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Is there somewhere online I can find out which tube stations are

underground
and which are above ground?


Underground sections of deep tube lines (all sections are inclusive, i.e.
named stations are underground):

Bakerloo: Elephant to Kilburn Park
Central: Mile End to Shepherds Bush, also Wanstead to Gants Hill
Jubilee: Swiss Cottage to North Greenwich
Northern: South Wimbledon (via Bank or Charing Cross) to Highgate or
Hampstead
Piccadilly: Earls Court to Bounds Green, also Southgate, also Hatton Cross
to Hatton Cross via Heathrow. Whether Hounslow West is below ground is
debatable.
Victoria: all
Waterloo & City: both stations are in tunnel.

There are tunnels with no station in them between the following open-air
stations: between Stratford and Leyton, and between Hendon Central and
Colindale.

Between Hounslow West and Hatton Cross the trains are above ground briefly
to pass over the River Crane.

I'll let someone else do the 5 subsurface lines...

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CMOT TMPV wrote in message et...
Is there somewhere online I can find out which tube stations are underground
and which are above ground? Or if not online, somewhere I can buy a book
with that information. It seems like an easy request, but my research hasn't
got me very far.


This is strictly to the best of my knowledge and off the top of my
head! Corrections welcome...

O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

Northern Line:
O Morden
T South Wimbledon - Charing X / Bank - Hampstead / Highgate
O Golders Green - Edgware
O East Finchley - Mill Hill East / High Barnet

Victoria Line
T All Stations

Waterloo And City Line
T Bank
C Waterloo (with one end open to Waterloo Depot)

Bakerloo Line
T Elephant & Castle - Kilburn Park
O Kilburn Park - Harrow & Wealdstone

Central Line
O West Ruislip / Ealing Broadway - White City
T Shepherds Bush - Bethnal Green
C Mile End
O Stratford - Snaresbrook - Epping / Newbury Park
T Wanstead - Gants Hill

Piccadilly Line
T Heathrow T4 & Heathrow T123
C Hatton Cross - Hounslow West
O Uxbridge / Hounslow Central - Barons Court
T Earls Court - Bounds Green
O Arnos Grove
C Southgate
O Oakwood & Cockfosters

Jubliee Line
O Stanmore - Finchley Road
T Swiss Cottage - North Greenwich / Charing Cross (Alright - CX not
strictly part of the Jubilee line anymore...)
O Canning Town - Stratford

Metropolitan
O Uxbridge / Watford / Amersham / Chesham - Finchley Road
U Baker St.
C Great Portland St. - Kings Cross St Pancras
O Farringdon
U Barbican
C Moorgate
U Liverpool St. & Aldgate

Hammersmith & City
O Hammersmith - Paddington
U Edgware Road
C Baker St.
[See Metropolitan]
[See District]

District Line
O Ealing Broadway / Richmond - West Kensington
O Wimbledon - Parsons Green
C Fulham Broadway (Only recently mind you!)
O West Brompton
U Earls court
C Glocester Road
U South Kensington - Sloane Square
C Victoria - Tower Hill
U Aldage East - Whitechapel
C Stepney Green - Bow Road
O Bromley By Bow - Upminster
U High St. Kensington - Edgware Road

Circle Line
[See Metropolitan]
[See District]

East London Line
O Shoreditch - Whitechapel
U Shadwell
C (T??) Wapping
C Rotherhithe - Canada Water
O Surrey Quays - New Cross / New Cross Gate.

Hope this helps!
Si.
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was John Rowland
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who said:
"CMOT TMPV" wrote in message
t...
Is there somewhere online I can find out which tube stations are
underground and which are above ground?


Underground sections of deep tube lines (all sections are inclusive,
i.e. named stations are underground):

Bakerloo: Elephant to Kilburn Park
Central: Mile End to Shepherds Bush, also Wanstead to Gants Hill
Jubilee: Swiss Cottage to North Greenwich
Northern: South Wimbledon (via Bank or Charing Cross) to Highgate or
Hampstead
Piccadilly: Earls Court to Bounds Green, also Southgate, also Hatton
Cross to Hatton Cross via Heathrow. Whether Hounslow West is below
ground is debatable.
Victoria: all
Waterloo & City: both stations are in tunnel.

There are tunnels with no station in them between the following
open-air stations: between Stratford and Leyton, and between Hendon
Central and Colindale.

Between Hounslow West and Hatton Cross the trains are above ground
briefly to pass over the River Crane.

I'll let someone else do the 5 subsurface lines...



They are far more subjective, depending on what constitutes 'above' or
'below'.

Several stations have platforms below street level, but a ceiling above
street level - e.g. Earls Court. Should the height of the roof, and whether
or not the cut is open make a difference? If so, then several stations are
by definition part underground, part overground, which is an unhappy
contradiction.

Additionally several stations were built in open cutting, but have since
been built upon - does this act change their status from 'above' to 'below'?

And if the presence of a building above defines a station as 'below', does
this mean that Canary Wharf DLR is underground?

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O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

Bakerloo Line
T Elephant & Castle - Kilburn Park
O Kilburn Park - Harrow & Wealdstone


The latter should, of course, be Queens Park - H&W.

Piccadilly Line
T Heathrow T4 & Heathrow T123
C Hatton Cross - Hounslow West
O Uxbridge / Hounslow Central - Barons Court
T Earls Court - Bounds Green
O Arnos Grove
C Southgate
O Oakwood & Cockfosters


Southgate is deep tube, despite having open air visible down one of the
running tunnels.
Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and there would
be no obvious reason to cover it.

Metropolitan
O Uxbridge / Watford / Amersham / Chesham - Finchley Road
U Baker St.
C Great Portland St. - Kings Cross St Pancras
O Farringdon
U Barbican
C Moorgate
U Liverpool St. & Aldgate


Great Portland Street is open at one end.

District Line
O Ealing Broadway / Richmond - West Kensington
O Wimbledon - Parsons Green
C Fulham Broadway (Only recently mind you!)
O West Brompton
U Earls court
C Glocester Road
U South Kensington - Sloane Square
C Victoria - Tower Hill
U Aldage East - Whitechapel
C Stepney Green - Bow Road
O Bromley By Bow - Upminster
U High St. Kensington - Edgware Road


Isn't Blackfriars partly open?
Bow Road is half open.
IIRC Stepney Green has a small garden which is open to the air, on a disused
bay platform adjacent to the eastbound.

East London Line
O Shoreditch - Whitechapel
U Shadwell
C (T??) Wapping
C Rotherhithe - Canada Water
O Surrey Quays - New Cross / New Cross Gate.


I think the north end of Wapping might be open.

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O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)


Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.


I think that, like many modern stations, it was built as an open box and
then roofed over. The running tunnels count as "T", but I suppose the
station itself is "C".


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Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and there would
be no obvious reason to cover it.


I'm not sure it is very deep, is it? I recall just stairs down to the
platforms - not even an escalator.

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And if the presence of a building above defines a station as
'below', does this mean that Canary Wharf DLR is underground?


There is no building above Canary Wharf DLR station. There are
buildings next to it, but the only thing above it is the station roof.

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"John Rowland" wrote in message
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"Simon Clarke" wrote in message
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O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

Bakerloo Line
T Elephant & Castle - Kilburn Park
O Kilburn Park - Harrow & Wealdstone


The latter should, of course, be Queens Park - H&W.

Piccadilly Line
T Heathrow T4 & Heathrow T123
C Hatton Cross - Hounslow West
O Uxbridge / Hounslow Central - Barons Court
T Earls Court - Bounds Green
O Arnos Grove
C Southgate
O Oakwood & Cockfosters


Southgate is deep tube, despite having open air visible down one of the
running tunnels.
Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and there

would
be no obvious reason to cover it.

Metropolitan
O Uxbridge / Watford / Amersham / Chesham - Finchley Road
U Baker St.
C Great Portland St. - Kings Cross St Pancras
O Farringdon
U Barbican
C Moorgate
U Liverpool St. & Aldgate


Great Portland Street is open at one end.

District Line
O Ealing Broadway / Richmond - West Kensington
O Wimbledon - Parsons Green
C Fulham Broadway (Only recently mind you!)
O West Brompton
U Earls court
C Glocester Road
U South Kensington - Sloane Square
C Victoria - Tower Hill
U Aldage East - Whitechapel
C Stepney Green - Bow Road
O Bromley By Bow - Upminster
U High St. Kensington - Edgware Road


Isn't Blackfriars partly open?
Bow Road is half open.
IIRC Stepney Green has a small garden which is open to the air, on a

disused
bay platform adjacent to the eastbound.

East London Line
O Shoreditch - Whitechapel
U Shadwell
C (T??) Wapping
C Rotherhithe - Canada Water
O Surrey Quays - New Cross / New Cross Gate.


I think the north end of Wapping might be open.


Mile End is open just above the w/b Central platform.... it's where the
pigeons get in....


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