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Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
On Jul 29, 3:28*pm, "Mortimer" wrote:
Now that the new station beneath St Pancras is open, is the intention to use the old Thameslink station for something completely different (eg not railway-related) and to remove / fill in the platforms? Or will it be left as an emergency evacuation route? Given the state of other unused stations on busy lines, e.g. St John's Wood Metropolitan I think it is unlikely that the platform space will be reclaimed. However, given the location I think it would make a great of sense to sink some large supporting pillars thru the old platforms in order to construct some retail and office space above. The airspace here would seem to be reasonably "high value". By the way, why are the signs in St Pancras for "First Capital Connect" rather than the more well-known name "Thameslink"? Surely the description of the *route* is far more important than the name of the current franchise holder? Pitiful, the whole system is pitiful. |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, 1506 wrote:
On Jul 29, 3:28*pm, "Mortimer" wrote: Now that the new station beneath St Pancras is open, is the intention to use the old Thameslink station for something completely different (eg not railway-related) and to remove / fill in the platforms? Or will it be left as an emergency evacuation route? Given the state of other unused stations on busy lines, e.g. St John's Wood Metropolitan I think it is unlikely that the platform space will be reclaimed. However, given the location I think it would make a great of sense to sink some large supporting pillars thru the old platforms in order to construct some retail and office space above. The airspace here would seem to be reasonably "high value". At the moment, it's got a rubbish bar on top of it; it wouldn't seem to be particularly high-value just yet. Doubtless, as King's Cross becomes more desirable, it will. tom -- How did i get here? |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
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13:39:03 on Fri, 31 Jul 2009, Tom Anderson remarked: The airspace here would seem to be reasonably "high value". At the moment, it's got a rubbish bar on top of it; it wouldn't seem to be particularly high-value just yet. Doubtless, as King's Cross becomes more desirable, it will. It's a bit (metaphorically) low-rent around there at the moment. One of the cheapest Travelodges overlooks the station. And much of the rest of the area is alleyways and the backs of Victorian terraces. -- Roland Perry |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
On Jul 31, 5:39*am, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, 1506 wrote: On Jul 29, 3:28*pm, "Mortimer" wrote: Now that the new station beneath St Pancras is open, is the intention to use the old Thameslink station for something completely different (eg not railway-related) and to remove / fill in the platforms? Or will it be left as an emergency evacuation route? Given the state of other unused stations on busy lines, e.g. St John's Wood Metropolitan I think it is unlikely that the platform space will be reclaimed. *However, given the location I think it would make a great of sense to sink some large supporting pillars thru the old platforms in order to construct some retail and office space above. The airspace here would seem to be reasonably "high value". At the moment, it's got a rubbish bar on top of it; it wouldn't seem to be particularly high-value just yet. Doubtless, as King's Cross becomes more desirable, it will. To the west on Euston road there is some high value property. To the south is the west end, Bloomsbury, etc. With the developments around KX, St P. it is only a matter of time before Pentonvile Rd perks up! |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
Roland Perry wrote:
One of the cheapest Travelodges overlooks the station. Cheap, but not necessarily nasty. I've stayed there. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9683628.html (Class 101 set 54343/51189 seen *twice* after rain at Chester in 1985) |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
In message , at 17:23:13 on
Fri, 31 Jul 2009, Chris Tolley remarked: One of the cheapest Travelodges overlooks the station. Cheap, but not necessarily nasty. I've stayed there. The Farringdon one has much nastier rooms, but the noise if you overlook the station is incredible (tube trains as well as Thameslink, of course). -- Roland Perry |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
On 31/07/2009 at 15:48:56 Roland Perry (%mail)wrote: in
uk.railway In message . li, at 13:39:03 on Fri, 31 Jul 2009, Tom Anderson remarked: The airspace here would seem to be reasonably "high value". At the moment, it's got a rubbish bar on top of it; it wouldn't seem to be particularly high-value just yet. Doubtless, as King's Cross becomes more desirable, it will. It's a bit (metaphorically) low-rent around there at the moment. One of the cheapest Travelodges overlooks the station. And much of the rest of the area is alleyways and the backs of Victorian terraces. A little bit north of there, and a bit west too is the lovely shiny King's Place development - see http://www.kingsplace.co.uk for details. Gallery, concert hall, bar and cafe overlooking the canal basin. -- Richard Hunt |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
On 31 July, 20:58, " Richard Hunt" wrote:
It's a bit (metaphorically) low-rent around there at the moment. One of the cheapest Travelodges overlooks the station. And much of the rest of the area is alleyways and the backs of Victorian terraces. A little bit north of there, and a bit west too is the lovely shiny King's Place development - seehttp://www.kingsplace.co.ukfor details. Gallery, concert hall, bar and cafe overlooking the canal basin. The former surface station would be a great spot to build housing (and still allowing a narrower frontage for an emergency tube exit). "low- rent" from a building isn't something that landlords would be too worried about if the result of doing nothing is "no rent at all". There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently disused. I'm sure they could do something useful with that, even if its just adding a glossy entrance to the lighthouse building so you don't need to cross that road junction. |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
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Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
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, at 08:36:43 on Sat, 1 Aug 2009, nospam_lonelytraveller_nospam remarked: On 31 July, 20:58, " Richard Hunt" wrote: It's a bit (metaphorically) low-rent around there at the moment. One of the cheapest Travelodges overlooks the station. And much of the rest of the area is alleyways and the backs of Victorian terraces. A little bit north of there, and a bit west too is the lovely shiny King's Place development - seehttp://www.kingsplace.co.ukfor details. Gallery, concert hall, bar and cafe overlooking the canal basin. The former surface station would be a great spot to build housing (and still allowing a narrower frontage for an emergency tube exit). It's useful as a proper tube exit too. "low- rent" from a building isn't something that landlords would be too worried about if the result of doing nothing is "no rent at all". "Low rent" is a metaphor. Other expressions are a bit more anglo saxon. There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently disused. Isn't that the tunnel which will be the main passageway from the northern ticket hall to the Piccadilly and Victoria Line platforms. See the sections near the "5" marks he http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-com...with-lifts.jpg -- Roland Perry |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross
station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently disused. Isn't that the tunnel which will be the main passageway from the northern ticket hall to the Piccadilly and Victoria Line platforms. See the sections near the "5" marks he http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-com...with-lifts.jpg No. Its the one just below the surface, its not a tube, its rectangular. Here are some pictures - http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/...ngsCross51.jpg http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/...ngsCross52.jpg this is where its sealed off: http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/...ngsCross55.jpg |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
... In message , at 08:36:43 on Sat, 1 Aug 2009, nospam_lonelytraveller_nospam remarked: There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently disused. Isn't that the tunnel which will be the main passageway from the northern ticket hall to the Piccadilly and Victoria Line platforms. See the sections near the "5" marks he http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-com...with-lifts.jpg Do you have a more legible version of that map? It's a bit (!) hard to read. I'd always thought that the tunnel ran further south-west and came out near position 1 labelled "Kings Cross Mainline (ECML)". But I could be wrong: it's a while since I used that tunnel because it was not very well signposted from the KX Thameslink station (or else I kept missing the signs!) and it was easier (even if slower) to come up to surface level and cross Pentonville Road. |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
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19:08:57 on Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Mortimer remarked: Isn't that the tunnel which will be the main passageway from the northern ticket hall to the Piccadilly and Victoria Line platforms. See the sections near the "5" marks he http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-com...with-lifts.jpg Do you have a more legible version of that map? It's a bit (!) hard to read. It's a combination of maps, and I'm afraid that's as good as it gets. It shows what will e there when the rebuilding is finished (not what was there before). However, east of the Victoria Line the foot tunnel (not actually shown) follows the same route to the Thameslink station as it used to (emerges at the bottom of the escalator up to ground level). I'd always thought that the tunnel ran further south-west and came out near position 1 labelled "Kings Cross Mainline (ECML)". But I could be wrong: it's a while since I used that tunnel because it was not very well signposted from the KX Thameslink station (or else I kept missing the signs!) and it was easier (even if slower) to come up to surface level and cross Pentonville Road. I don't remember where the foot tunnel went west of the Piccadilly line - did it carry on as far as the Northern Line platforms, or not carry on at all? The section between the Victoria and Piccadilly has been given a diversion round something, in recent years. -- Roland Perry |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 08:36:43 -0700 (PDT), nospam_lonelytraveller_nospam
wrote: It's a bit (metaphorically) low-rent around there at the moment. One of the cheapest Travelodges overlooks the station. And much of the rest of the area is alleyways and the backs of Victorian terraces. A little bit north of there, and a bit west too is the lovely shiny King's Place development - seehttp://www.kingsplace.co.ukfor details. Gallery, concert hall, bar and cafe overlooking the canal basin. The former surface station would be a great spot to build housing (and still allowing a narrower frontage for an emergency tube exit). "low- rent" from a building isn't something that landlords would be too worried about if the result of doing nothing is "no rent at all". It is if the buildings (and landords) don't exist yet - the result of doing nothing is "no cost at all". |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
"nospam_lonelytraveller_nospam" wrote in message ... There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently disused. Isn't that the tunnel which will be the main passageway from the northern ticket hall to the Piccadilly and Victoria Line platforms. See the sections near the "5" marks he http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-com...with-lifts.jpg No. Its the one just below the surface, its not a tube, its rectangular. Here are some pictures - http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/...ngsCross51.jpg http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/...ngsCross52.jpg this is where its sealed off: http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/...ngsCross55.jpg And do you have something which could help us locate it from the side of the active area of the station? Cheers DW downunder |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
"nospam_lonelytraveller_nospam" wrote There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently disused. I'm sure they could do something useful with that, even if its just adding a glossy entrance to the lighthouse building so you don't need to cross that road junction. When was it last in use? I imagine that after the Met and Circle lines moved to their new station there wouldn't have been all that much interchange to/from Great Northern suburban and Midland trains at Kings Cross Met (aka KX Thameslink), although some passengers must have continued to change to the tube lines. But IIRC the tunnel between KX Thameslink and the tube station didn't open until the BedPan electrics started. Peter |
Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:11:06 +0100, "Peter Masson"
wrote: "nospam_lonelytraveller_nospam" wrote There's a wide sub surface walkway to just in front of kings cross station from the overbridge at the former station, and its currently disused. I'm sure they could do something useful with that, even if its just adding a glossy entrance to the lighthouse building so you don't need to cross that road junction. When was it last in use? I imagine that after the Met and Circle lines moved to their new station there wouldn't have been all that much interchange to/from Great Northern suburban and Midland trains at Kings Cross Met (aka KX Thameslink), although some passengers must have continued to change to the tube lines. But IIRC the tunnel between KX Thameslink and the tube station didn't open until the BedPan electrics started. I believe that tunnel ceased public use in 1940 when the old Met/Circle station was perforce closed. I assume it does not extend to the east of Kings Cross Bridge, where there are remains of a station entrance, and so could not serve the former Pentonville Road station or its Thameslink successor. (It would have avoided a horrid walking route!) -- Peter Lawrence |
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Plans for old Kings Cross Thameslink station
In message , Roland Perry
wrote: I don't remember where the foot tunnel went west of the Piccadilly line - did it carry on as far as the Northern Line platforms, or not carry on at all? Not at all. It was to connect the Piccadilly to the Midland station. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Mobile: +44 7973 377646 | Web: http://www.davros.org Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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