Furious Boris orders TfL to restore the Thames on the new map:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8260943.stm

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Paul Terry

Paul Terry wrote:
Furious Boris orders TfL to restore the Thames on the new map:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8260943.stm

While they're at it, maybe it's time to put the Lea on too, since it must
have more of an impact on the hinterland of stations than the Thames does...
and maybe the Regents Canal, since it has boat trips from Camden to the Zoo
and Little Venice.

On 17 Sep, 14:13, Paul Terry wrote:
Furious Boris orders TfL to restore the Thames on the new map:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8260943.stm

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Paul Terry

Hmm. It wouldn't be the first time that a major set of changes
includes one totally ridiculous thing that can be backed down from,
while the rest goes ahead.

"MIG" wrote in message
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On 17 Sep, 14:13, Paul Terry wrote:

Furious Boris orders TfL to restore the Thames on the new map:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8260943.stm

Hmm. It wouldn't be the first time that a major set of changes
includes one totally ridiculous thing that can be backed down from,
while the rest goes ahead.

TfL spokesman: "We are also looking again at the provision of zonal
information to ensure that it is widely available to customers and aim to
reach a conclusion on that, also by December, when the new Circle Line
service needs to be reflected."

Perhaps the 'point to point fares' conspiracy has some way to go yet...

Paul S

On Sep 17, 2:13*pm, Paul Terry wrote:
Furious Boris orders TfL to restore the Thames on the new map:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8260943.stm

Mayor 'don't bother me with details' Boris realises that details can
be important.

More specifically, Mayor Boris doesn't really care one way or the
other about such matters and delegates such decision making to the TfL
Board (of which he is at least notionally the Chair of). The Board
meanwhile got a gee-whiz presentation and nodded it through (with or
wothout Bozza there?).

Now the Tube dwelling mouse excrement has started hitting the
ventilation fan and there's a big fuss, the Mayor's Office
(specifically Guto Harri, the Mayor's mouthpiece) decides the easiest
way forward is to tell everyone the Mayor is furious. Perhaps he
actually is, but if so maybe a small degree of that anger should be
directed towards the man in the mirror - or does the buck stop
elsewhere? (i.e. anywhere else!)

Anyway, it all seems a rather inevitable course of events! But
inspired by "Basil Jet's" comments in his reply, what other features
do utl-ers think should be on the map (a crowded, busy, non-clean
version if you will)? Heathrow flightpaths? Thames Water Ring Main?
Air quality? Decent minicab firms? High-frequency night bus routes
that mirror Tube lines? The aural footprint of the Bow Bells?

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Mizter T writes

Anyway, it all seems a rather inevitable course of events! But
inspired by "Basil Jet's" comments in his reply, what other features
do utl-ers think should be on the map (a crowded, busy, non-clean
version if you will)? Heathrow flightpaths? Thames Water Ring Main?
Air quality? Decent minicab firms? High-frequency night bus routes
that mirror Tube lines? The aural footprint of the Bow Bells?

You might think riverbus services, if the Thames is to be reinstated ...
but somehow I think not.
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Paul Terry

On 17 Sep, 19:37, Paul Terry wrote:
In message
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Mizter T writes

Anyway, it all seems a rather inevitable course of events! But
inspired by "Basil Jet's" comments in his reply, what other features
do utl-ers think should be on the map (a crowded, busy, non-clean
version if you will)? Heathrow flightpaths? Thames Water Ring Main?
Air quality? Decent minicab firms? High-frequency night bus routes
that mirror Tube lines? The aural footprint of the Bow Bells?

You might think riverbus services, if the Thames is to be reinstated ...
but somehow I think not.
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Paul Terry

I think pretty well all people do need all of the following to plan
and pay for their journey on the London Underground.

1) the lines
2) the stations
3) the interchanges
4) the fare zones

Some people also need

5) the accessible stations (and they'll get rid of that clutter if
they ever all are)

Nobody needs

6) Advertising for Ikea
7) Any of the previous suggestions that were nothing to do with
transport (eg Bow Bells, water mains).
8) Transport-related information for systems they aren't using at the
time, which is why bus, taxi and NR information is debatable.
9) The Thames, particularly, although it causes so little bother that
I can't see why they got rid of it.

There's a fuss because information directly necessary for travelling
on LU has been removed, and the objections don't need to be
ridicularised by suggesting that people want all sorts of other
rubbish.

I wonder if there is a single case of a person losing their way on the
system because of the "clutter"? Who are all these people complaining
about it?

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:41:07 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

TfL spokesman: "We are also looking again at the provision of zonal
information to ensure that it is widely available to customers and aim to
reach a conclusion on that, also by December, when the new Circle Line
service needs to be reflected."

Two different maps is the answer to that - there always used to be the
all-lines-including-mainline one with the zones and the Tube-only one
without.

Neil

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Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On Sep 17, 11:55*pm, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:41:07 +0100, "Paul Scott"

wrote:
TfL spokesman: *"We are also looking again at the provision of zonal
information to ensure that it is widely available to customers and aim to
reach a conclusion on that, also by December, when the new Circle Line
service needs to be reflected."

Two different maps is the answer to that - there always used to be the
all-lines-including-mainline one with the zones and the Tube-only one
without.


The separate London Connections (the one with rail and Tramlink) and
Underground maps still exist, except I've not seen a London
Connections map to 'take away' at an Underground station (only at
National Rail stations) for a while, probably because they were bigger
than the 'tube' map. Both do appear on LU platforms and are available
on the TfL website (http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/1106.aspx);
although the tube map here is still the old version.

Mizter T wrote:

Anyway, it all seems a rather inevitable course of events!

Making front page of the Standard was hardly inevitable... must have been a
very slow news day!

But
inspired by "Basil Jet's" comments in his reply, what other features
do utl-ers think should be on the map (a crowded, busy, non-clean
version if you will)? Heathrow flightpaths? Thames Water Ring Main?
Air quality? Decent minicab firms? High-frequency night bus routes
that mirror Tube lines? The aural footprint of the Bow Bells?

You seem to be implying that my suggestions were farcical. Before posting, I
graffitied the Lea and the Regents Canal on a tube map, and it looked
extremely fetching.... the canal frames Central London with irresistable
logic, and the Lea gives a scale to the whole thing and makes you very aware
that it is a map of much of Greater London. Once you've seen it, returning
to the map with just the Thames is very disappointing.

Remember that no Essex station was on Beck's original map (except as a
handnote), partly because the Central hadn't been extended past Liverpool
Street and the Victoria Line hadn't been built, so Beck didn't decide not to
show the Lea on the original map, although he did make that decision for
later maps.