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Default Western Congestion Charge Zone to stay next a reprieve for bendybuses?

The western extension to the congestion charge is now to stay.
Despite Boris saying in his manifesto he would get rid of it after a
consultation last year. Big hole in the budget apparantly.

I guess Bendy Bus reprieve will be next as judging by previous posts
on this group if you do replace them with normal buses you will need
more of them.

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"trainmanUK" wrote in message
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The western extension to the congestion charge is now to stay.
Despite Boris saying in his manifesto he would get rid of it after a
consultation last year. Big hole in the budget apparantly.


But it's not meant to be revenue positive.

tim



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trainmanUK wrote:
The western extension to the congestion charge is now to stay.
Despite Boris saying in his manifesto he would get rid of it after a
consultation last year. Big hole in the budget apparantly.


Hold your horses - he's since come out (on Twitter of all places)
repudiating the Standard's story and saying end-2010 at the latest for
scrapping it, thus leaving pretty much no wiggle room at all.

I guess Bendy Bus reprieve will be next as judging by previous posts
on this group if you do replace them with normal buses you will need
more of them.


Yes, but like the WEZ Boris has to follow through or spoil his brand
image, common sense or not.

On a related note, the last MQTs affirmed the commitment to all new
buses being hybrids from 2012, which rather begs the question as to how
well the current lot are working - I had a go on a 141 last week and it
was pretty impressive, particularly pulling away on electric power from
traffic lights for a few yards until the tiny diesel engine powered up
again.

Tom
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Paul Corfield wrote:


Dream on - the whole issue is now so tightly boxed in that City Hall
have nowhere to go on this policy other than implementation at all
costs. The fact the deadline has been accelerated to end 2011 is, in my
view, an attempt to be able to say in May 2012 that at least one policy
objective has been delivered in full.


It also neatly avoids having to have any of the routes implemented with
a huge fleet of hybrids, which would obviously incur even more of a
bendy premium than the 21% extra cost on the 38.

A lot rests on the 38 - the 521 appeared to be working quite well last
week* (although I formed the distinct impression that they hold it
together during the 8-9am peak at the expense of reliability in the
shoulder - an 11 minute wait at 9am, for instance), but of course
they're effectively using the same buses, only shorter and with fewer
seats. The 38 is a totally untried combination of lots of buses with
slow boarding, so you can't take it as read that it'll work the same way.

Tom

* One thing that I hadn't factored in until I tried using the 521 is
that if the queue's too long people find alternative routes, so to get
the right impression you need to know what effect it has on routes that
parallel the main route. People won't queue forever to get on a 38, but
will redistribute. Another interesting observation was that people
don't board them to full capacity, presumably because the nearer the
bust gets to full the more likely it is for the person at the front of
the queue to trade a squashed space near the door for a guaranteed seat
on the next one in a couple of minutes.


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