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Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:48:50 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:39:27 +0100, "
wrote:

Indeed, it can be less at times. Much less hassle in any event.
I regularly fly easyJet and it isn't hassle at all.


Taken as a whole, the EasyJet experience is a very good example of how
to operate an airline. Low cost, no frills, but otherwise excellent
customer service.

I haven't heard anything bad about easyJet, to be fair. It's Ryanair
that's no good.

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:38:48 on Sun, 11
Oct 2009, Ian F. remarked:
Never fly budget airlines. Pay the premium and just go on a normal
airline. In many cases it doesn't work out to be much more.

And it many cases it can be much less.

You'll have to quote a few examples, because I've been flying round
Europe at least once a month for the last three or four years, and
I think I've only seen it once (a late evening Brussels-Heathrow with BA
that came in at 26 Euros plus 56 Euro tax (~£70); not that Brussels is
overwhelmed with Budget carriers).

I'd just take the train.

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MC wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 11:38:48 on Sun, 11
Oct 2009, Ian F. remarked:
Never fly budget airlines. Pay the premium and just go on a normal
airline. In many cases it doesn't work out to be much more.
And it many cases it can be much less.
You'll have to quote a few examples, because I've been flying round Europe
at least once a month for the last three or four years, and
I think I've only seen it once (a late evening Brussels-Heathrow with BA
that came in at 26 Euros plus 56 Euro tax (~£70); not that Brussels is
overwhelmed with Budget carriers).

I recently flew by:

BA to Inverness around £20 cheaper than EJ all in.

BA to Budapest around £40 cheaper that EJ all in.

BA to Naples £20 cheaper than EJ all in.

I always try and avoid budget airlines if I can help it as they are not
always cheaper and they cut too many corners. I still believe flying should
be a comfortable form of transport, after all it can be quite stressful. It
certainly should not be like a bus service. More often than not I only have
to pay a few quid more, if not less, for an experience that is less
stressful, and thus a lot more enjoyable, on a full service carrier.

MC


Same here. I also find getting to Heathrow a lot easier than Stansted or
Luton, for example.

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D7666 wrote:
On Oct 11, 3:32 pm, "MC" wrote:

certainly should not be like a bus service. More often than not I only have
to pay a few quid more, if not less, for an experience that is less
stressful, and thus a lot more enjoyable, on a full service carrier.


Thats a lot to pay for a free coffee and roll.

--
Nick
I's still rather pay that, rather than give Ryanair any of my money.

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message .com, at
15:32:59 on Sun, 11 Oct 2009, MC remarked:
I recently flew by:

BA to Inverness around £20 cheaper than EJ all in.

BA to Budapest around £40 cheaper that EJ all in.

BA to Naples £20 cheaper than EJ all in.

Originating where? Heathrow perhaps. BA have pretty much abandoned
regional airports. If BA are flying those routes for the same-ish price
as a low-cost booked the same amount in advance, then it's good news for
people who can get to Heathrow.

But note that BA will now be charging for seat assignments, and
reportedly have scrapped food on short-haul.

That's for well in advance, rather than the usual 24 hours.

So becoming more like a
budget airline.


I somehow doubt that, although I've heard that Air Lingus is becoming
more and more like a budget airline.


And I know that classic carriers can't compete on price with the budget
airlines in "many cases" (rather than a few), nor is £20 "much cheaper".

Still prefer classic airlines. At least theior cabin staff don't behave
like on the budget airlines.

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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:25:39 +0100, "Michael"
wrote:

I live on Anglesey - getting to Liverpool/Manchester
for easyjet and Ryanair is tedious enough, going to London so I could use
the allegedly superior service of "normal" airlines would be ridiculous.

I think more than those two fly from Manchester. Soon, there will be
only one as Ryanair pull out (though quite a few other budget airlines
in their place).

The boundaries are getting very blurred now though, especially on
shorter flights. I went to Bilbao earlier in the year, the best
option from Manchester being SN Brussels via, errm, Brussels. It was
either an hour's journey to Manchester or trying to get to Stansted.
Low cost, so no in-flight service but bookable seats and a luggage
allowance. For a couple of flights that take less than an hour then I
don't really care.

In the US, Virgin America have an interesting price policy, where they
offer no-frills or full service on the same planes. You pays your
money, etc. I got from San Diego to San Francisco for $49 to connect
with a KLM flight to Manchester (via AMS) - overall much cheaper than
any scheduled alternative.

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:24:34 on Sun, 11
Oct 2009, " remarked:

Luton Airport is the worst of any of them.

In some ways it's pretty bad - but "worst" is a bit of a stretch.

No proper connection from the station to the airport terminals
themselves,

There's a bus every ten minutes, which is better than some other
airports (eg Bristol and East Midlands).


But there is no direct rail connection, which does not apply in the case
of Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted, City or even Southampton. And the queues
to the busses at Luton Airport Parkway can be riduculous.

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In message , at 22:06:42 on Sun, 11
Oct 2009, " remarked:
You'll have to quote a few examples, because I've been flying round
Europe at least once a month for the last three or four years, and
I think I've only seen it once (a late evening Brussels-Heathrow with
BA that came in at 26 Euros plus 56 Euro tax (~£70); not that
Brussels is overwhelmed with Budget carriers).

I'd just take the train.

I normally take the train (I am this week...) but in this instance the
plane was much cheaper. And being later in the evening, starting from a
meeting quite close to the airport, it was the more sensible choice. I
was staying overnight in London.
--
Roland Perry

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Neil Williams wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:24:34 +0100, "
wrote:

Never fly budget airlines. Pay the premium and just go on a normal
airline. In many cases it doesn't work out to be much more.

I fly from Luton because it's local. An 0700 flight is bad enough
without a 2-hour end to end journey to Thiefrow.


I have no doubt that Luton is convenient for those who live nearby.

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Buddenbrooks wrote:

wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
Luton Airport is the worst of any of them. No proper connection from the
station to the airport terminals themselves, which are full of surley
staff from budget airlines.


Never fly budget airlines. Pay the premium and just go on a normal
airline. In many cases it doesn't work out to be much more.


Why settle for surly when for a little more you can have surly and
condescending.

Unless you pay for Business Class or better.

Business class is lovely, I must say.

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Miles Bader wrote:
"Buddenbrooks" writes:
Why settle for surly when for a little more you can have surly and
condescending.

Ha! If you'd fly a Korean airline, you could have violent and insane too!

-Miles

I would think that on Korean Airlines, they would go out of their way to
be hospitable.

Don't know about Air Koryo, however.

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Buddenbrooks wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 00:17:30 on Mon, 12 Oct
2009, Miles Bader remarked:
Why settle for surly when for a little more you can have surly and
condescending.

Ha! If you'd fly a Korean airline, you could have violent and insane
too!

What a strange remark. Are you a xenophobic? I've been to Korea and
it's a much more civilised place than the UK, despite rumours to the
contrary. Their airport frequently wins awards, too; and deservedly so.
--



Well apart from being banned to fly to any country in the EU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Koryo

That's a North Korean airline, which is still flying Tu-154s anf Il-62s.

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Michael wrote:

wrote in message
...

Never fly budget airlines. Pay the premium and just go on a normal
airline. In many cases it doesn't work out to be much more.



That may be an option if you live in SE England. But for the rest of us
it's not at all realistic. I live on Anglesey - getting to
Liverpool/Manchester for easyjet and Ryanair is tedious enough, going to
London so I could use the allegedly superior service of "normal"
airlines would be ridiculous.

Is Dublin or Cardiff not an option?

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In message , at 22:12:09 on Sun, 11
Oct 2009, " remarked:
Still prefer classic airlines. At least theior cabin staff don't behave
like on the budget airlines.

I have no idea what you mean. I've been on five budget flights in the
last week alone. The cabin staff were impeccable.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 22:16:08 on Sun, 11
Oct 2009, " remarked:
Luton Airport is the worst of any of them.
In some ways it's pretty bad - but "worst" is a bit of a stretch.

No proper connection from the station to the airport terminals
themselves,
There's a bus every ten minutes, which is better than some other
airports (eg Bristol and East Midlands).

But there is no direct rail connection, which does not apply in the
case of Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted, City or even Southampton.

If there's no direct rail connection at East Midlands Parkway, there's
also none at Luton Airport Parkway.

And the queues to the busses at Luton Airport Parkway can be
riduculous.

Which is kind of where I came in: replacing the FTRs with the smaller
(well they seem smaller) Citaros.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 22:17:21 on Sun, 11
Oct 2009, " remarked:

I have no doubt that Luton is convenient for those who live nearby.

It's also more convenient (than Heathrow or Gatwick) for people living
almost any distance north of Luton. 100 miles in my case.
--
Roland Perry

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wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

wrote in message
...

Never fly budget airlines. Pay the premium and just go on a normal
airline. In many cases it doesn't work out to be much more.



That may be an option if you live in SE England. But for the rest of us
it's not at all realistic. I live on Anglesey - getting to
Liverpool/Manchester for easyjet and Ryanair is tedious enough, going to
London so I could use the allegedly superior service of "normal" airlines
would be ridiculous.

Is Dublin or Cardiff not an option?


Cardiff is probably more difficult to get to than London (and a lot more
difficult than NW England). N-S transport links in Wales are very poor.

Dublin would require a ferry, and then probably a taxi or a couple of
buses - in theory it could work but in practice it wouldn't be pleasant or
cheap.

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In message , at 22:12:45 on
Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Mr G remarked:
The boundaries are getting very blurred now though, especially on
shorter flights. I went to Bilbao earlier in the year, the best
option from Manchester being SN Brussels via, errm, Brussels. It was
either an hour's journey to Manchester or trying to get to Stansted.
Low cost, so no in-flight service but bookable seats and a luggage
allowance.

I always thought Brussels Airlines regarded themselves as a full service
carrier. They used to do codeshares with BA (when BA still flew from
regional airports up to about a year ago), and are a member of one of
the three big FF clubs.
--
Roland Perry

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"Mr G" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:25:39 +0100, "Michael"
wrote:

I live on Anglesey - getting to Liverpool/Manchester
for easyjet and Ryanair is tedious enough, going to London so I could use
the allegedly superior service of "normal" airlines would be ridiculous.

I think more than those two fly from Manchester. Soon, there will be
only one as Ryanair pull out (though quite a few other budget airlines
in their place).

The boundaries are getting very blurred now though, especially on
shorter flights. I went to Bilbao earlier in the year, the best
option from Manchester being SN Brussels via, errm, Brussels. It was
either an hour's journey to Manchester or trying to get to Stansted.
Low cost, so no in-flight service but bookable seats and a luggage
allowance. For a couple of flights that take less than an hour then I
don't really care.

In the US, Virgin America have an interesting price policy, where they
offer no-frills or full service on the same planes. You pays your
money, etc. I got from San Diego to San Francisco for $49 to connect
with a KLM flight to Manchester (via AMS) - overall much cheaper than
any scheduled alternative.


I take your point, easy/Ryan were just examples. I have taken 2 stage
flights to Europe from Manchester, but never found it as quick or cheap as a
direct flight on a no-frills - assuming that one flies the route.

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Michael wrote:

wrote in message
...

[from Anglesey]

Is Dublin or Cardiff not an option?


Cardiff is probably more difficult to get to than London (and a lot more
difficult than NW England). N-S transport links in Wales are very poor.

A twice-daily subsidised flight to Cardiff from Valley airport?

Charlie

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wrote in message
...
Buddenbrooks wrote:

wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
Luton Airport is the worst of any of them. No proper connection from
the
station to the airport terminals themselves, which are full of surley
staff from budget airlines.


Never fly budget airlines. Pay the premium and just go on a normal
airline. In many cases it doesn't work out to be much more.


Why settle for surly when for a little more you can have surly and
condescending.

Unless you pay for Business Class or better.

Business class is lovely, I must say.


Anything over 6 hrs and it is a must for me I'm afraid. In fact anything
over 4 hrs if budget allows :o)

MC

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 22:06:42 on Sun, 11
Oct 2009, " remarked:
You'll have to quote a few examples, because I've been flying round
Europe at least once a month for the last three or four years, and
I think I've only seen it once (a late evening Brussels-Heathrow with
BA that came in at 26 Euros plus 56 Euro tax (~£70); not that
Brussels is overwhelmed with Budget carriers).

I'd just take the train.

I normally take the train (I am this week...) but in this instance the
plane was much cheaper. And being later in the evening, starting from a
meeting quite close to the airport, it was the more sensible choice. I
was staying overnight in London.
Train is more door to door if going to Brussels, though, is it not?

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 22:17:21 on Sun, 11
Oct 2009, " remarked:

I have no doubt that Luton is convenient for those who live nearby.

It's also more convenient (than Heathrow or Gatwick) for people living
almost any distance north of Luton. 100 miles in my case.

To each his own.

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On 11 Oct, 15:51, D7666 wrote:
On Oct 11, 2:11*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

And it many cases it can be much less.
You'll have to quote a few examples, because I've been flying round
Europe at least once a month for the last three or four years, and
I think I've only seen it once (a late evening Brussels-Heathrow with BA
that came in at 26 Euros plus 56 Euro tax (~£70); not that Brussels is
overwhelmed with Budget carriers).

It is possible to get cheaper flights by ''non-LoCo'' airlines, I've
done it.

The Opodo booking engine is one source - it has found me in the past
very low rate LHR Wien with OS, and LGW MUC with BA. But that is
comparing LHR/LGW like for like.

Not had recourse to use Opodo recently, essentially because of EZ at
Luton whre I live even if their fare is double the ''full'' airlines
cheapest offer, *it dramtcally saves on time and effort and rail fare/
drive park.

The only drawback is a route like LTN-VIE (see other comment) is one
flight per day and the outbound while a reasonable ~16:00 local time
arrival in Wien, and Wien is an excellent city for a stop, my
destination is usually further east, and getting the 19:21 ex
Bratislava hl.st. to Zvolen is a bit dodgy ... all right on paper,
but *only need to slight delayed arrival, missed an s-bahn / CAT, miss
the hourly train to Bratislava[*] at 17:28 and I won't make it.

[1] Yes In know there are 2 routes making 2 TPH but its not a symetric
half hourly service and one goes to Petrzalka which is n.b.g. for a
tight connection from hl.st i.e. if miss 17:28 above, the 18:05 to
Petrzalka does not get me anywhere.

--
Nick

What on earth are you talking about?

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BA to Budapest around £40 cheaper that EJ all in.



Not from Manchester, or should I say MAN?
Jet2 are cheapest. And Ryanair have stopped Liverpool Budapest. So
it's Jet2 or very expensive alternative.

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Roland Perry writes:
Ha! If you'd fly a Korean airline, you could have violent and insane too!

What a strange remark. Are you a xenophobic?.

Er, no. It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).

-Miles

--
Christian, n. One who follows the teachings of Christ so long as they are not
inconsistent with a life of sin.

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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:05:15 +0100, "
wrote:

Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:48:50 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:39:27 +0100, "
wrote:

Indeed, it can be less at times. Much less hassle in any event.
I regularly fly easyJet and it isn't hassle at all.


Taken as a whole, the EasyJet experience is a very good example of how
to operate an airline. Low cost, no frills, but otherwise excellent
customer service.

I haven't heard anything bad about easyJet, to be fair. It's Ryanair
that's no good.


I used Ryanair several times before I first tried EasyJet. The
difference is enormous.

In future, if I can avoid Ryanair, I will do so; if I can fly EasyJet,
I will do so.

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"Charlie Hulme" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

wrote in message
...

[from Anglesey]

Is Dublin or Cardiff not an option?


Cardiff is probably more difficult to get to than London (and a lot more
difficult than NW England). N-S transport links in Wales are very poor.

A twice-daily subsidised flight to Cardiff from Valley airport?

Charlie



I didn't think of that one - I know people who've used it as well. I don't
think that I'll try it for connecting to other flights however - given that
separate tickets would be required the consequences the first flight in a
journey being delayed would be undesirable...

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:57 +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
Roland Perry writes:
Ha! If you'd fly a Korean airline, you could have violent and insane too!

What a strange remark. Are you a xenophobic?.

Er, no. It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).


On what basis would you attempt to justify such racist remarks?

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Bruce writes:
Er, no. It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).

On what basis would you attempt to justify such racist remarks?

So you disagree?

-Miles

--
Accordion, n. An instrument in harmony with the sentiments of an assassin.

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:09:47 +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
Bruce writes:
Er, no. It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).

On what basis would you attempt to justify such racist remarks?

So you disagree?


I disagree with your damning the whole Korean nation on the basis of
simplistic and highly unreliable racial stereotyping, yes.

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Bruce writes:
I disagree with your damning the whole Korean nation on the basis of
simplistic and highly unreliable racial stereotyping, yes.

I'm not "damning the whole Korean nation", and I'm not making any
statements based on "race" ("Korean" is not a race; in the context of
this thread, it's a culture).

I _did_ try to make a joke (whether or not the humor was any good of
course, is a separate matter), which attempted to amplify a real-life
incident (involving, yes, Korean airline employees) using a cultural
stereotype.

It isn't a particularly negative stereotype of course (I chose the word
"feisty" on purpose, because it has generally positive connotation), and
like many other stereotypes, has some basis in fact.

Here's a test: Go ask a Korean person. It's very likely they'll either
(1) laugh and say "yeah, yeah, ok, it's true", or (2) punch you in the face.
Either way, point made.

[I _actually did this_, just now, and she did (1).]

-Miles

--
Quotation, n. The act of repeating erroneously the words of another. The words
erroneously repeated.

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In message , at 22:46:09 on Sun, 11
Oct 2009, " remarked:
I normally take the train (I am this week...) but in this instance
the plane was much cheaper. And being later in the evening, starting
from a meeting quite close to the airport, it was the more sensible
choice. I was staying overnight in London.

Train is more door to door if going to Brussels, though, is it not?

At the Brussels end it depends on where you are heading to. The Eurostar
tips out at Brussels Midi (at the south end of the city centre). If your
destination is in the business area (a mile or so to the north) it's
almost as easy to get there using the airport train, as from Midi. My
destination on that trip was roughly equidistant from the airport or
Midi by taxi.

At the UK end, St Pancras is much more convenient for me than Heathrow
(perhaps 2.5hrs from home rather than 3.5hrs). The concept of "door to
door" rather fades at such a distance. If I were to take the plane from
my local regional airport (I rarely do as it's a full fare airline and
very expensive - £295 each way normally), then I would leave home 1.5hrs
before the flight is due to depart, and therefore 2hrs 45mins before it
lands in Brussels.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 07:09:57 on Mon, 12 Oct
2009, Miles Bader remarked:
Ha! If you'd fly a Korean airline, you could have violent and insane too!

What a strange remark. Are you a xenophobic?.

Er, no. It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).

Not while on duty as cabin crew. And the Koreans I met when I was there
were almost overbearingly polite (to western eyes).
--
Roland Perry

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:45:30 +0900, Miles Bader wrote:

Bruce writes:
I disagree with your damning the whole Korean nation on the basis of
simplistic and highly unreliable racial stereotyping, yes.

I'm not "damning the whole Korean nation", and I'm not making any
statements based on "race" ("Korean" is not a race; in the context of
this thread, it's a culture).


You're trying (and failing) to wriggle out of a posting that was
clearly racist.


I _did_ try to make a joke (whether or not the humor was any good of
course, is a separate matter), which attempted to amplify a real-life
incident (involving, yes, Korean airline employees) using a cultural
stereotype.


Making jokes using a cultural stereotype is racism. The fact it was
intended as a joke does not make it in any way less offensive - on the
contrary.


It isn't a particularly negative stereotype of course (I chose the word
"feisty" on purpose, because it has generally positive connotation), and
like many other stereotypes, has some basis in fact.

Here's a test: Go ask a Korean person. It's very likely they'll either
(1) laugh and say "yeah, yeah, ok, it's true", or (2) punch you in the face.
Either way, point made.


More racism. You just don't get it, do you.

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Roland Perry writes:
Er, no. It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).

Not while on duty as cabin crew. And the Koreans I met when I was there
were almost overbearingly polite (to western eyes).

[The experience in question involved airport staff, not cabin crew
(I imagine the standards are somewhat higher for the latter).]

I did have the interesting experience of travelling around Korea with a
Korean, and people were very nice and helpful to us -- and afterwards my
companion remarked "I've never been treated this politely in Korea
before!"

:]

-Miles

--
..Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing.

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In message , at 15:21:06 on Mon, 12
Oct 2009, Miles Bader remarked:
Er, no. It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).

Not while on duty as cabin crew. And the Koreans I met when I was there
were almost overbearingly polite (to western eyes).

[The experience in question involved airport staff, not cabin crew
(I imagine the standards are somewhat higher for the latter).]

I did have the interesting experience of travelling around Korea with a
Korean, and people were very nice and helpful to us -- and afterwards my
companion remarked "I've never been treated this politely in Korea
before!"

You'll wear that spade out, if you aren't careful.
--
Roland Perry

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Bruce writes:
You're trying (and failing) to wriggle out of a posting that was
clearly racist.

Bruce, you can call it what you want. That does not make it so.

-Miles

--
Discriminate, v.i. To note the particulars in which one person or thing is,
if possible, more objectionable than another.

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Roland Perry writes:
You'll wear that spade out, if you aren't careful.

Do you think I'm lying?

-Miles

--
The trouble with most people is that they think with their hopes or
fears or wishes rather than with their minds. -- Will Durant

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:34:28 +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
Roland Perry writes:
You'll wear that spade out, if you aren't careful.

Do you think I'm lying?


No, just digging yourself into an ever-deeper hole.