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"Why Hate Ryanair?"
Crossposted to uk.transport.london? Is Ryanair about to take over the Tube or something? (Fares 5p for any distance, but 10 pounds a time to use an escalator). ==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === http://www.campin.me.uk ==== Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts ****** I killfile Google posts - email me if you want to be whitelisted ****** |
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:52:35 +0100
Jack Campin - bogus address wrote: "Why Hate Ryanair?" Crossposted to uk.transport.london? Is Ryanair about to take over the Tube or something? (Fares 5p for any distance, but 10 pounds a time to use an escalator). The alternative being a climbing rope as he'd have closed the stairs because of the maintenance costs. B2003 |
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... Crossposted to uk.transport.london? I reckoned it may be of interest with the discussion about budget airlines currently going on. And Ryanair does fly from *London* Luton, *London* Stansted and *London* Gatwick. But apologies if I have offended anyone. Ian |
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Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
"Why Hate Ryanair?" Crossposted to uk.transport.london? Is Ryanair about to take over the Tube or something? London airports are most definitely on-topic in news:uk.transport.london . When the group's creation was being planned, I managed to get everyone to agree that the group name should not have the words "london transport" in that order so as not to confuse anyone into thinking that only certain transport modes were on-topic. |
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On Oct 12, 9:54*am, "Ian F." wrote:
"Why Hate Ryanair?" http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n9mdm http://www.examiner.ie/sport/ryanair...tchet-job-1030... http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....&story=gen-en-... Ian -- sounds like the BBC have run out of ideas..... Why hate the BBC ? |
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In alt.travel.uk.air Ian F. wrote:
"Why Hate Ryanair?" http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n9mdm If you can't be bothered to watch, see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8297211.stm Theo |
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On 12 Oct, 13:21, "Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe"
wrote: On Oct 12, 9:54*am, "Ian F." wrote: "Why Hate Ryanair?" http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n9mdm http://www.examiner.ie/sport/ryanair...tchet-job-1030... http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....&story=gen-en-... Ian -- sounds like the BBC have run out of ideas..... Why hate the BBC ? For their sycophantic treatment of Ryanair and O'Leary on Watchdog? |
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On Oct 12, 7:58*pm, MIG wrote:
On 12 Oct, 13:21, "Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe" wrote: On Oct 12, 9:54*am, "Ian F." wrote: "Why Hate Ryanair?" http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n9mdm http://www.examiner.ie/sport/ryanair...tchet-job-1030.... http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....&story=gen-en-... Ian -- sounds like the BBC have run out of ideas..... Why hate the BBC ? For their sycophantic treatment of Ryanair and O'Leary on Watchdog? ....there was nothing new or interesting in the programme, Michael O'Leary is a good business man, Willie Walsh is ****e... it would have been a better programme to say why BA is failing |
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Just hate yourself michaelnewport, for what you're worth...
"Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe" a écrit dans le message de ... On Oct 12, 9:54 am, "Ian F." wrote: "Why Hate Ryanair?" http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n9mdm http://www.examiner.ie/sport/ryanair...tchet-job-1030... http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....&story=gen-en-... Ian -- sounds like the BBC have run out of ideas..... Why hate the BBC ? |
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On Oct 12, 10:06*pm, Arthur Figgis
wrote: wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:52:35 +0100 Jack Campin - bogus address wrote: "Why Hate Ryanair?" Crossposted to uk.transport.london? Is Ryanair about to take over the Tube or something? (Fares 5p for any distance, but 10 pounds a time to use an escalator). The alternative being a climbing rope as he'd have closed the stairs because of the maintenance costs. How much would it cost to a) carry a dog b) not carry a dog? -- Arthur Figgis * * * * * * * Surrey, UK dog = runge ? |
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, at 13:07:28 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe remarked: ...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron! -- Roland Perry |
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On 12 Oct, 23:05, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:07:28 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe remarked: ...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron! -- Roland Perry I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are). Nevertheless, a very soft-hitting documentary. The only thing that really came through at all was the extent to which they see vulnerability in others as of benefit to them, eg small airports, aircraft manufacturers and ... inevitably, cash-strapped families. |
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On 12 Oct, 23:05, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:07:28 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe remarked: ...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron! -- Roland Perry I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are). Electron is basically Visa's equivalent of Solo, requiring fully online processing and funds to be available in your account to back the transaction. Most of the UK banks are now issuing Visa Debit cards with no cheque guarantee instead of Electron, however. (And, as an aside, the banks that created Switch are now switching to issuing Visa Debit cards). Cheers, Barry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
... ...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. I think what they actually said was they 93% (?) of folks didn't have one!! -- J B |
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, at 15:55:42 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, MIG remarked: ...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron! I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Electron m'lud Nevertheless, a very soft-hitting documentary. The only thing that really came through at all was the extent to which they see vulnerability in others as of benefit to them, eg small airports, aircraft manufacturers and . It said they drove a hard bargain with their suppliers. Customers fretting about this is what's know in the trade as "looking in other people's pockets". Large numbers of businesses are just as hard-nosed, and in some respects even worse. I bet Ryanair don't also expect Boeing to give them an extra discount if all the seats on the plane aren't filled, but I know of businesses who have models that would be analogous to that! Interestingly, they didn't allege that Ryanair is slow to pay its bills (another common characteristic of hard-nosed business). Perhaps that, and the ability to "sell and forget" is why Boeing (and others) are happy to do business with them. ... inevitably, cash-strapped families What are you referring to here? The only "vulnerability" that came up was the charge for re-printing boarding cards. I agree it's a bit high, but along with all their other charges, aren't the slightest bit "hidden". Unlike, for example, the delivery charge I got lumbered with from Currys last week, which amounted to paying £15 to have them discharge their WEEE responsibilities (taking away the old TV). -- Roland Perry |
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Oct 2009, J B remarked: It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. I think what they actually said was they 93% (?) of folks didn't have one!! They said something like that too, but also claimed Electron wasn't available from UK banks. -- Roland Perry |
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"MIG" wrote in message ... On 12 Oct, 23:05, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:07:28 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe remarked: ...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron! -- Roland Perry = I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are). And they are wrong http://www.halifax.co.uk/bankaccounts/easycash.asp Keith |
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"J B" wrote in message ... "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... ...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. I think what they actually said was they 93% (?) of folks didn't have one!! Given that UK banks make their profits on current accounts by charging exorbitant fees for overdrafts a cynic might suggest thats because an Electron Card must have sufficient funds to back all transfers where a Visa card allows the user to go overdrawn. Keith |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. No, they actually said an Electron Credit card was not available in the UK. However it would have been more accurate to state that the debit version is and name the banks that issue it. I would guess the show was originally planned as an expose of Ryan Air and money spent and they found nothing new. Ryan Air is a put it together yourself airline. You don;t pay for what you dont need. BA is a full service airline and you get it without asking, and pay for it even if you do not use it. I think everyone is imagining what the world was like pre-budget airlines. My first pay myself flight was Heathrow to Miami off season in the 70s with BA. I was open to exact time/date and spent 2 hours in the travel agent trying to find an available seat. When I got on the BA flight it was less than half full, the automated messages and information film pre-arrival was on Auckland immigration procedures. Now I can book in five minutes and not be bothered with being woken for meals I dont want. I dont live near London or Manchester and the budget airlines now offer choice from regional airports more convenient to those living away from the two rational hubs. The flight within Europe is so short that it is the public transport and airport facilities that dominate the experience. You would be better off paying to use a private lounge than extra for the flight. |
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Oct 2009, Buddenbrooks remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. No, they actually said an Electron Credit card was not available in the UK. On one hand it's very common the refer to all cards (debit, credit and charge) as "Credit Cards". On the other hand they were going out of their way to rubbish the "Electron" option, on the grounds that the cards(sic) were unavailable and it was therefore cynical for Ryanair to 'pretend' this was a viable payment method. However it would have been more accurate to state that the debit version is and name the banks that issue it. Cockup or conspiracy? I think everyone is imagining what the world was like pre-budget airlines. My first pay myself flight was Heathrow to Miami off season in the 70s with BA. They had some footage of "old fashioned jet set". The flight within Europe is so short that it is the public transport and airport facilities that dominate the experience. You would be better off paying to use a private lounge than extra for the flight. Yep. I'm going to Brussels on Eurostar later today. I've saved more than £50 by going "economy" rather than "Leisure select" [you don't even want to know how much full FC costs]. I'll spend the £50 on something better than an airline meal en-route. -- Roland Perry |
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:38:00 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:55:42 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, MIG remarked: ...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron! I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Electron m'lud Nevertheless, a very soft-hitting documentary. The only thing that really came through at all was the extent to which they see vulnerability in others as of benefit to them, eg small airports, aircraft manufacturers and . It said they drove a hard bargain with their suppliers. Customers fretting about this is what's know in the trade as "looking in other people's pockets". Large numbers of businesses are just as hard-nosed, and in some respects even worse. I bet Ryanair don't also expect Boeing to give them an extra discount if all the seats on the plane aren't filled, but I know of businesses who have models that would be analogous to that! I loved the part when MoL required any interview was shown unedited and when they refused, then went on to manipulate the BBC's guy into giving him a long advertising opportunity. IMHO far too many businesses weasel up to the media. It was refreshing to have someone only deal with them on his own terms. Interestingly, they didn't allege that Ryanair is slow to pay its bills (another common characteristic of hard-nosed business). Perhaps that, and the ability to "sell and forget" is why Boeing (and others) are happy to do business with them. ... inevitably, cash-strapped families What are you referring to here? The only "vulnerability" that came up was the charge for re-printing boarding cards. I agree it's a bit high, but along with all their other charges, aren't the slightest bit "hidden". Unlike, for example, the delivery charge I got lumbered with from Currys last week, which amounted to paying £15 to have them discharge their WEEE responsibilities (taking away the old TV). So far as (reprinting) your boarding pass surely any airport hotel has some sort of cyber cafe that you could log in at and print them from? Since you need that piece of paper to get through security, then provided you have time, you could do it yourself for much less than £40 a head. |
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On 13 Oct, 08:38, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:55:42 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, MIG remarked: ...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron! I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Electron*m'lud Nevertheless, a very soft-hitting documentary. *The only thing that really came through at all was the extent to which they see vulnerability in others as of benefit to them, eg small airports, aircraft manufacturers and . It said they drove a hard bargain with their suppliers. Customers fretting about this is what's know in the trade as "looking in other people's pockets". Large numbers of businesses are just as hard-nosed, and in some respects even worse. I bet Ryanair don't also expect Boeing to give them an extra discount if all the seats on the plane aren't filled, but I know of businesses who have models that would be analogous to that! Interestingly, they didn't allege that Ryanair is slow to pay its bills (another common characteristic of hard-nosed business). Perhaps that, and the ability to "sell and forget" is why Boeing (and others) are happy to do business with them. ... inevitably, cash-strapped families What are you referring to here? The only "vulnerability" that came up was the charge for re-printing boarding cards. I agree it's a bit high, but along with all their other charges, aren't the slightest bit "hidden". Unlike, for example, the delivery charge I got lumbered with from Currys last week, which amounted to paying £15 to have them discharge their WEEE responsibilities (taking away the old TV). But it's a bit like Oyster, isn't it. They make rules whose sole purpose is to punish people for breaking the rules. Such people are vulnerable to making a slight mistake which makes them fair game for no end of penalties totally out of proportion (we object to this from banks; what's the latest story on that?). As for the documentary, there are far better examples that could have been used, eg a disabled person hanging on a premium rate phone line to book an essential wheelchair, people refused boarding because of a bent passport on one flight but then accepted on the next at full price ... but they pulled all the punches. No doubt those kind of things are technically deniable, but given that they are why people really hate Ryanair, there was no point in the documentary if they weren't going to be included. Can't see the point of it really. Looking at it along with the pathetic Watchdog item, I wonder if the BBC is actively promoting Ryanair on the "all publicity" principle. |
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:48:26 +0100, Buddenbrooks wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. No, they actually said an Electron Credit card was not available in the UK. However it would have been more accurate to state that the debit version is and name the banks that issue it. I would guess the show was originally planned as an expose of Ryan Air and money spent and they found nothing new. Ryan Air is a put it together yourself airline. You don;t pay for what you dont need. BA is a full service airline and you get it without asking, and pay for it even if you do not use it. I think everyone is imagining what the world was like pre-budget airlines. My first pay myself flight was Heathrow to Miami off season in the 70s with BA. I was open to exact time/date and spent 2 hours in the travel agent trying to find an available seat. When I got on the BA flight it was less than half full, the automated messages and information film pre-arrival was on Auckland immigration procedures. Now I can book in five minutes and not be bothered with being woken for meals I dont want. This is something that continually amazes me. That pax feel the need to eat while flying - even though most flights to holiday destinations are only 3 - 4 hours max (Spain even less from the S of Eng.) AND they've just spent an hour or two at departures - with not much to do there except eat and drink, too. I dont live near London or Manchester and the budget airlines now offer choice from regional airports more convenient to those living away from the two rational hubs. The flight within Europe is so short that it is the public transport and airport facilities that dominate the experience. You would be better off paying to use a private lounge than extra for the flight. The other thing I got from the programme was that ryanair came in at number 33 out of 42 in a customer satisfaction survey. I want to know which airlines are worse - so I can avoid _them_! |
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On Oct 12, 11:55*pm, MIG wrote:
I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are). They said that *credit* cards were not issued on that system in the UK. Which they wouldn't be, as an Electron card is by very definition not a credit card. (The whole purpose of it is that it must always be authorised online, so it is not possible to run up unauthorised debt with it). Neil |
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On 13 Oct, 10:00, pete wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:38:00 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 15:55:42 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, MIG remarked: ...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron! I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Electron*m'lud Nevertheless, a very soft-hitting documentary. *The only thing that really came through at all was the extent to which they see vulnerability in others as of benefit to them, eg small airports, aircraft manufacturers and . It said they drove a hard bargain with their suppliers. Customers fretting about this is what's know in the trade as "looking in other people's pockets". Large numbers of businesses are just as hard-nosed, and in some respects even worse. I bet Ryanair don't also expect Boeing to give them an extra discount if all the seats on the plane aren't filled, but I know of businesses who have models that would be analogous to that! I loved the part when MoL required any interview was shown unedited and when they refused, then went on to manipulate the BBC's guy into giving him a long advertising opportunity. IMHO far too many businesses weasel up to the media. It was refreshing to have someone only deal with them on his own terms. Eh? Don't you mean that the media weasel up to advertisers? This was no exception. The usual free advertising that the BBC gives, whatever they claim. |
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09:00:13 on Tue, 13 Oct 2009, pete remarked: I loved the part when MoL required any interview was shown unedited and when they refused, then went on to manipulate the BBC's guy into giving him a long advertising opportunity. It was even better when he said he wouldn't be interviewed unless uncut, and the BBC then proceeded to attempt to prove they wouldn't cut his interview, by showing that part. Cut. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 13:07:28 on Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Hobo Humpin' Slobo Babe remarked: ...there was nothing new or interesting in the programme It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron! You misunderstood the programme -- it said that Electron credit cards were not issued by UK banks, not Electron debit cards. The enthusiastic young traveller had one of the latter. |
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"pete" wrote in message ... This is something that continually amazes me. That pax feel the need to eat while flying - even though most flights to holiday destinations are only 3 - 4 hours max (Spain even less from the S of Eng.) AND they've just spent an hour or two at departures - with not much to do there except eat and drink, too. It supposedly relaxes people. For many passengers flying can still be a stressful experience, regardless of statistics. And so if they can pass their time in the air doing something "enjoyable" they normally do in everyday life, this can act as a welcome distraction. Whereas some other "welcome distractions" would be lot more expensive to implement. michael adams .... |
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, at 02:05:30 on Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Neil Williams remarked: I think they said that UK banks don't issue them (whatever they are). They said that *credit* cards were not issued on that system in the UK. Which they wouldn't be, as an Electron card is by very definition not a credit card. (The whole purpose of it is that it must always be authorised online, so it is not possible to run up unauthorised debt with it). See my reply to Mr Buddenbrookes. -- Roland Perry |
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09:05:09 on Tue, 13 Oct 2009, pete remarked: This is something that continually amazes me. That pax feel the need to eat while flying - even though most flights to holiday destinations are only 3 - 4 hours max (Spain even less from the S of Eng.) AND they've just spent an hour or two at departures - with not much to do there except eat and drink, too. And the bloke going on holiday to Portugal (I think it was) who "obviously" was needing to check in 6-8 suitcases at Stansted[1]. I don't necessarily agree with the road-warriors who spend all week in the same t-shirt and travel carry-on only; but surely one suitcase each should be enough for a week's holiday? [1] I'm pretty sure this programme was triggered by a one-off fiasco there a couple of months ago when their check-in agents failed to provide enough staff. -- Roland Perry |
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Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Recliner remarked: It lost credibility for me when they appeared to claim that Electron cards were not available in the UK. Later they interviewed a lad who had made several £5 all-inclusive trips, paying by Electron! You misunderstood the programme -- it said that Electron credit cards were not issued by UK banks, not Electron debit cards. The enthusiastic young traveller had one of the latter. See my reply to Mr Buddenbrookes. -- Roland Perry |
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Yep. I'm going to Brussels on Eurostar later today. I've saved more than £50 by going "economy" rather than "Leisure select" [you don't even want to know how much full FC costs]. I'll spend the £50 on something better than an airline meal en-route. As a matter of interest, how does full first class (Business Premier) differ from Leisure Select? They both use first class carriages, and both include food and drink. Is it more a question of flexible bookings than the actual service on offer? For example, does Business Premier include a complimentary limo service or just lounge access? Or is it more of a case of segregating noisy holiday makers from people who want to work on the train? |
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Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Recliner remarked: Yep. I'm going to Brussels on Eurostar later today. I've saved more than £50 by going "economy" rather than "Leisure select" [you don't even want to know how much full FC costs]. I'll spend the £50 on something better than an airline meal en-route. As a matter of interest, how does full first class (Business Premier) differ from Leisure Select? They both use first class carriages, and both include food and drink. The only difference I can see in the "service" is the ability to use the lounge. Chauffeuring is extra. Is it more a question of flexible bookings than the actual service on offer? Yes, the higher fares are much more flexible. But that may not be important to many travellers. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 10:22:25 on Tue, 13 Oct 2009, michael adams remarked: This is something that continually amazes me. That pax feel the need to eat while flying - even though most flights to holiday destinations are only 3 - 4 hours max (Spain even less from the S of Eng.) AND they've just spent an hour or two at departures - with not much to do there except eat and drink, too. It supposedly relaxes people. For many passengers flying can still be a stressful experience, regardless of statistics. And so if they can pass their time in the air doing something "enjoyable" they normally do in everyday life, this can act as a welcome distraction. And we don't all spend "an hour or two" in departures, especially for a 6.30am flight. How do you manage not to? Check-in time these days is a lot longer than it was because of security constraints. -- William Black "Any number under six" The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat single handed with a quarterstaff. |
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Tue, 13 Oct 2009, William Black remarked: And we don't all spend "an hour or two" in departures, especially for a 6.30am flight. How do you manage not to? For a 6am/6pm flight, using an airport where (touch wood), arriving an hour before departure having checked in online, is enough to clear the security queue and get to the gate on time. And there re a number of airports who now allow you the buy "fast track" for about £3 - which is an insidious thin-ended wedge, but at least it works if you are prepared to appease them by buying it. Check-in time these days is a lot longer than it was because of security constraints. If I'm leaving mid-afternoon from EMA, the place is deserted, and you can even check in at a desk, drop a bag, do security, all in ten minutes. It used to be like that all day long at BHX T2, but I understand things have change now that Ryanair are filling it with pax. But the classic carriers have gone back to T1 now. -- Roland Perry |
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:48:26 +0100, Buddenbrooks wrote: I dont live near London or Manchester and the budget airlines now offer choice from regional airports more convenient to those living away from the two rational hubs. The flight within Europe is so short that it is the public transport and airport facilities that dominate the experience. You would be better off paying to use a private lounge than extra for the flight. The other thing I got from the programme was that ryanair came in at number 33 out of 42 in a customer satisfaction survey. I want to know which airlines are worse - so I can avoid _them_! **** customer satisfaction surveys! What do they want, a free cigar, newspaper and a hand job from the stewardess? It's about flying as cheaply as possible. Generally in life, you get what you pay for. The public amaze me with their expectations. They'll pay a fiver for a flight and then expect to be treated like Royalty! |
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On Oct 13, 6:05*pm, "Stephen O'Connell" wrote:
pete wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:48:26 +0100, Buddenbrooks wrote: I dont live near London or Manchester and the budget airlines now offer choice from regional airports more convenient to those living away from the two rational hubs. The flight within Europe is so short that it is the public transport and airport facilities that dominate the experience. You would be better off paying to use a private lounge than extra for the flight. The other thing I got from the programme was that ryanair came in at number 33 out of 42 in a customer satisfaction survey. I want to know which airlines are worse - so I can avoid _them_! **** customer satisfaction surveys! What do they want, a free cigar, newspaper and a hand job from the stewardess? It's about flying as cheaply as possible. Generally in life, you get what you pay for. The public amaze me with their expectations. They'll pay a fiver for a flight and then expect to be treated like Royalty! a Ryanair hand job....I wonder how much they would charge for that ;-) |
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"MIG" wrote in message
... actively promoting Ryanair on the "all publicity" principle. I wonder what Gerald Ratner thinks of that (nonsense) principle! ;-) Ian |
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