"Basil Jet" wrote

Wouldn't manpower costs be lower if you maintained the trains in London
between the peaks, instead of in the sticks overnight?

You only have half a shift between the peaks, but presumably will have to
pay the depot staff for a full-time job. Overnight you can get a full shift.

Peter

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Or are you saying they are all those TOC are wrong with London
services rolling stock based in Plymouth Bristol Norwich Manchester
Leeds Edinburgh Northampton Aylsebury Salisbury Ramsgate Brighton
Southampton. Apart from former ER operations at Hornsey Ilford and
East Ham, and they are all legacy BR depots, just about every TOC has
its main line depots away from London.

Perhaps there are reasons for this )

What about Hornsey?!

You didn't read to the end of Nick's post did you...

Oops! However, he makes my point for me. I mentioned Hornsey because it
has one of the highest reliability records of any modern EMU depot.
Compare the past record with the same class 365 stock of the Kent coast
depots.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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(D7666) wrote:

Or are you saying they are all those TOC are wrong *with London
services rolling stock based in Plymouth Bristol Norwich Manchester
Leeds Edinburgh Northampton Aylsebury Salisbury Ramsgate Brighton
Southampton. Apart from former ER operations at Hornsey Ilford and
East Ham, and they are all legacy BR depots, just about every TOC has
its main line depots away from London.

Perhaps there are reasons for this )

What about Hornsey?!

You didn't read to the end of Nick's post did you...

Oops! However, he makes my point for me. I mentioned Hornsey because it
has one of the highest reliability records of any modern EMU depot.
Compare the past record with the same class 365 stock of the Kent coast
depots.

I seem to recall that the 365s were maintained at Slade Green,
presumably because the fleet was small and similar to the rest of what
was maintained at Slade Green.

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On Nov 6, 10:43 pm, "Paul Scott"
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Could North Pole find a new life as the depot for the coming GW ML
electric trains, or as home for HS2's rolling stock?

Probably the former I should imagine, if only because it is the project
likely to happen at the earliest, by quite a few years.


But if I were the operator I'd not want my depot at the inner London
end for either the intercity or suburban operation.

BR made this mistake the last time for BedPan by placing its depot at
Cricklewood. Yes CW (as a depot) was closed because of Thameslink, but
when extra depot facilities were needed, it made more sense to build
new at the end of the route at Cauldwell and not re-open CW - which
was vacant at the time ((CW depot building has long had non rail use -
but not continuous use - it was vacant around the time Cauldwell was
announced)).

Depots are better off ''out in the sticks'' as that is by far the best
place to berth and hence maintain anything that has any kind of London
flow. This is why what is now Chiltern built at Aylesbury, SWT at
Salisbury, LM at Northampton,

And previously of course at Bletchley so hardly a drastic move and
presumably Aylesbury was built to free up very valuable land at Marylebone
and surely built by Network SE not Chiltern Trains.

Kevin

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Depots are better off ''out in the sticks'' as that is by far the best
place to berth and hence maintain anything that has any kind of London
flow. This is why what is now Chiltern built at Aylesbury, SWT at
Salisbury, LM at Northampton,

And previously of course at Bletchley so hardly a drastic move and
presumably Aylesbury was built to free up very valuable land at Marylebone
and surely built by Network SE not Chiltern Trains.


Yes, the present Aylesbury depot was constructed in Network SouthEast
days as part of the so-called "Total Route Modernisation" of the
Chiltern lines.

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On Nov 7, 7:26 pm, David Randles wrote:

Earlier this year Agility Trains (Hitachi et al) announced that the
proposed new maintenance centres for the IEP would be at North Pole
(part of site only), Reading and Bristol Parkway. These are in
addition to several upgraded existing facilities (undisclosed). Of
course this predated the GWML electrification announcement, so it
could all change

http://www.agilitytrains.com/assets/...IEP_Preferred_....

And of course no IEP has actually been ordered yet has it ???

Agility/Htchi is merely the prefered bidder.

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Nick



And the traffic flows for IEPs are different than for commuter/outer
suburban services; so having facilities close to the London termini will be
useful for first turn down trains, and late returning up trains.

DW downunder