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In message , Paul Scott
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Network Rail's press release shows the track work in progress, I can't
work out from the pic if they've laid two tracks or just the one. Can
anyone clarify?

I doubt that "normal service" could be restored with single-line working
so, while it is difficult to be sure, it looks to me as though they have
laid one new track on the south side, which will become the temporary
down line, and they are checking the gauge of the old down line, which
will become the temporary up line.

If I'm right this presumably means that the infrastructure damage is
limited to the arch on the north side (left side in the latest photo),
and that it has been determined that the rest of the tunnel under the
line is OK.

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Paul Terry

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"Paul Terry" wrote in message
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In message , Paul Scott
writes

Network Rail's press release shows the track work in progress, I can't
work out from the pic if they've laid two tracks or just the one. Can
anyone clarify?

I doubt that "normal service" could be restored with single-line working
so, while it is difficult to be sure, it looks to me as though they have
laid one new track on the south side, which will become the temporary down
line, and they are checking the gauge of the old down line, which will
become the temporary up line.

If I'm right this presumably means that the infrastructure damage is
limited to the arch on the north side (left side in the latest photo), and
that it has been determined that the rest of the tunnel under the line is
OK.

I'm pretty sure it is two new tracks now. Those location boxes and the
concrete troughing look as though they are in the original position., Aerial
views show them on the down side at that point. In other forums they are
saying the speed limit will be 20 mph, so that will affect timings, but it
should still be a full capacity route.

Paul

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In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

Latest report is that normal service will resume tomorrow morning:


http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/eng...a1d1349548b8fa
aad06\961215

Network Rail's press release shows the track work in progress, I can't
work out from the pic if they've laid two tracks or just the one. Can
anyone clarify?


http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co...eleaseID=4827&
NewsA\reaID=2&SearchCategoryID=8

That page includes this text:

"Network Rail engineers will continue to work around the clock and over
the weekend to design and build a small, temporary loop around the section
of track above the damaged arch on the adjacent land which was once
occupied by the Feltham marshalling yard. This will allow trains to cross
the river safely while repairs to the permanent structure are carried out."

If you look at the full size picture (on the download link) you can see
more clearly that the track has been slewed.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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(Bondee) wrote:

"CJB" wrote in message
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On Nov 22, 4:27 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Latest report is that normal service will resume tomorrow morning:


http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/eng...a1d1349548b8fa
aad06\961215


Network Rail's press release shows the track work in progress, I can't
work out from the pic if they've laid two tracks or just the one. Can
anyone clarify?

I'll let you know tomorrow. Looks like the commute will take a
little longer than usual, but not as long as it did last week.
: )

There will be a TSR at the site I expect but I doubt it will cost enough
time to cause trains to be non-trivially late.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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On Nov 22, 7:10*pm, "Paul Scott"
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"Paul Terry" wrote in message

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In message , Paul Scott
writes

Network Rail's press release shows the track work in progress, I can't
work out from the pic if they've laid two tracks or just the one. Can
anyone clarify?

I doubt that "normal service" could be restored with single-line working
so, while it is difficult to be sure, it looks to me as though they have
laid one new track on the south side, which will become the temporary down
line, and they are checking the gauge of the old down line, which will
become the temporary up line.

If I'm right this presumably means that the infrastructure damage is
limited to the arch on the north side (left side in the latest photo), and
that it has been determined that the rest of the tunnel under the line is
OK.

I'm pretty sure it is two new tracks now. Those location boxes and the
concrete troughing look as though they are in the original position., Aerial
views show them on the down side at that point. * In other forums they are
saying the speed limit will be 20 mph, so that will affect timings, but it
should still be a full capacity route.

Paul- Hide quoted text -

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Today went from Feltham to Waterloo. The 3'rd rail track is slewed to
the south over what looks like a new embankment - which would include
a tunnel for the errant stream. Despite the 20 mph signs at the west
end of the London platform at Feltham and also just before the works -
the train I was on must have been going at least 25-30. The new up
line is merged to the previous down, and the new down is on the new
formation. The slew is quite long so trains can proceed quite fast and
without stopping. The old rails of the previous up line are very rusty
even from a few days of non-use. CJB.

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"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:02:37 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
A good quality picture of the failure has appeared on the Network Rail
site
now:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...idge_Nov09.JPG


A couple of tubes of decorator's filler, and the job's a good 'un.

Didn't Bouch use something of the kind to mask defects in the Tay Bridge?

Peter

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Didn't Bouch use something of the kind to mask defects in the Tay Bridge?

Peter

Linseed Putty I believe ...

Hth

C.

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"CJB" wrote in message
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...Today went from Feltham to Waterloo...

Whereas today, there may have been many extra passengers *into*
Feltham, for the unveiling of the Freddie Mercury Memorial, on
the 18th anniversary of his death, unveiled by his mother and
Brian May.

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"CJB" wrote in message

....The new up
line is merged to the previous down, and the new down is on the new
formation. The slew is quite long so trains can proceed quite fast
and without stopping. The old rails of the previous up line are very
rusty even from a few days of non-use. CJB.

You need to look again I'm afraid.
From a down train you can clearly see three lines, the temporary up, and the
two original. The remnants of the old up line are significantly longer than
the remaining length of down line though, for obvious reasons...

Paul S

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"Paul Scott" wrote in message
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"CJB" wrote in message

....The new up
line is merged to the previous down, and the new down is on the new
formation. The slew is quite long so trains can proceed quite fast
and without stopping. The old rails of the previous up line are very
rusty even from a few days of non-use. CJB.

You need to look again I'm afraid.
From a down train you can clearly see three lines, the temporary up, and
the
two original. The remnants of the old up line are significantly longer
than
the remaining length of down line though, for obvious reasons...

Yep, that's exactly what I was about to report. The "slight detour" is
hardly noticeable. My journeys don't seem to have been affected at all.

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Paul Scott wrote:
Latest report is that normal service will resume tomorrow morning:

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/eng...9548b8faaad06\
961215

Network Rail's press release shows the track work in progress, I can't work
out
from the pic if they've laid two tracks or just the one. Can anyone clarify?

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co...ID=4827&NewsA\
reaID=2&SearchCategoryID=8


Looking carefully at the pic, both tracks appear to have new third rail
carriers, so I'd guess both tracks are new. Neither track appears to
have third rail in the pic.

Additionally, they seem to be working on both tracks.

However, having said that, the right hand track hasn't been clipped, and
has nice new clips waiting to be placed and hammered in. The left hand
track appears to have old clips fitted.

So ..... some inconsistencies there.

Rgds

Denis

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In article ,
(Denis McMahon) wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:
Latest report is that normal service will resume tomorrow morning:


http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/eng...a1d1349548b8fa
aad06\961215

Network Rail's press release shows the track work in progress, I
can't work out from the pic if they've laid two tracks or just the
one. Can anyone clarify?


http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co...eleaseID=4827&
NewsA\reaID=2&SearchCategoryID=8

Looking carefully at the pic, both tracks appear to have new third
rail carriers, so I'd guess both tracks are new. Neither track
appears to have third rail in the pic.

Additionally, they seem to be working on both tracks.

However, having said that, the right hand track hasn't been
clipped, and has nice new clips waiting to be placed and hammered
in. The left hand track appears to have old clips fitted.

So ..... some inconsistencies there.

It looks to me as if the right-hand track in the picture is newly laid
while the left-hand track has been slewed. I agree the insulators are
clearly there but without conductor rails.

As I said before, it's all clearer if you open the large picture on the
"download file" link.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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wrote:
In article ,
(Denis McMahon) wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:
Latest report is that normal service will resume tomorrow morning:

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/eng...a1d1349548b8fa
aad06\961215
Network Rail's press release shows the track work in progress, I
can't work out from the pic if they've laid two tracks or just the
one. Can anyone clarify?

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co...eleaseID=4827&
NewsA\reaID=2&SearchCategoryID=8
Looking carefully at the pic, both tracks appear to have new third
rail carriers, so I'd guess both tracks are new. Neither track
appears to have third rail in the pic.

Additionally, they seem to be working on both tracks.

However, having said that, the right hand track hasn't been
clipped, and has nice new clips waiting to be placed and hammered
in. The left hand track appears to have old clips fitted.

So ..... some inconsistencies there.

It looks to me as if the right-hand track in the picture is newly laid
while the left-hand track has been slewed. I agree the insulators are
clearly there but without conductor rails.

As I said before, it's all clearer if you open the large picture on the
"download file" link.

Ok, assuming this is the country side of the royal mail building, and
we're looking "up", that suggests the left track is the old down /
temporary up and the right track is the temporary down.

As another poster has said, the location boxes on the left of the
picture appears to be at the side of the down track on earlier aerial
photography eg google "satellite" images.

I tried drawing this out with gimp on the google satellite image, it's
constrained by the banks leading down to the mill stream by the royal
mail building at the town end, and the bank leading down to the
underpass entrance at the country end, and the location boxes (I assume
that the reason they're still apparently in the same places is that
moving them as part of the temporary track works is more painful than
working round their existing locations) as well as the need to run over
an undamaged part of the culvert.

Assuming that the distance from the location boxes to the outer down
rail in the temporary location is the same as the original distance from
the location boxes to the outer up rail in the original alignment, I
calculate that the temporary alignment is about 5.5 metres south, with a
60 metre lead in at each end.

Rgds

Denis McMahon

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"Denis McMahon" wrote in message
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As I said before, it's all clearer if you open the large picture on the
"download file" link.

Ok, assuming this is the country side of the royal mail building, and
we're looking "up", that suggests the left track is the old down /
temporary up and the right track is the temporary down.

As another poster has said, the location boxes on the left of the picture
appears to be at the side of the down track on earlier aerial photography
eg google "satellite" images.

You are going over old ground. I initially posed the question on the 22nd.
By the 24th I'd done the route, so posted that evening that both the up and
down tracks of the diversion are temporary. There were remnants of both the
original up and down tracks still in place.

Paul S