On Nov 23, 2:08*pm, MIG wrote:
On 23 Nov, 14:02, trainmanUK wrote:



On 23 Nov, 13:50, John Bull wrote:

And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that
Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service?

Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by
Oyster.

Having spent the morning flicking through the "official" media docs.
Things that caught my eye a

1) No mention of OEPs. At all. TfL have since told me they'll only
affect 0.04% of passengers which presumably is justification for their
low key coverage.

Yes but it will generate 100% of the bad publicity when people start
being penalty fared !!

Someone should point out that it may be 0.04% of journeys, but not
necessarily 0.04% of passengers. *Everyone with a travelcard may
extend beyond their zones for 0.04% of their journeys or something,
but if they get screwed the first time they do, that's a lot of
"customers" who won't be very gruntled about Oyster.

Aye - "passengers" was their term, but its a very vague one.

In fairness, I can understand where they're coming from in playing
down OEPs. But as has been commented up-thread, it seems a recipe for
negative feedback down the line when Elsie 85 from Clapton gets her
photo in the paper waving a penalty notice in one hand and an Oyster
Card in the other because "no one told 'er about no extension permit
in the paper."

In message
, at
05:50:38 on Mon, 23 Nov 2009, John Bull
remarked:
And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that
Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service?

Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by
Oyster.

Now that a higher resolution copy of the map has appeared here, there's
a disclaimer confirming this. Unfortunately, it seems to make a liar of
the Minister who posted this morning:

"Just joined Lord Adonis and Boris Johnson to launch Oyster pay
as you go for ALL overground services in London from January
2nd."

His emphasis on "ALL".

Or is there some microscopic wriggle-room that decides a Heathrow
Connect train is "overground" as far as H&H, but then becomes something
else (surely not "underground, wombling free") thereafter?
--
Roland Perry

In message
, at
07:12:32 on Mon, 23 Nov 2009, John Bull
remarked:
In fairness, I can understand where they're coming from in playing
down OEPs.

OK, I give up. What's an OEP?

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/OEP
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...

OK, I give up. What's an OEP?

I was petrified of asking that here in case I got a Malcolm Tucker-style
bollocking, so I searched around. It means "Oyster Extension Permit". I
think it only applies to people with Travelcards on their oyster who want to
go outside their permitted zone (or something like that!).

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.tr...781213104d6d26

Ian

In message
, John
Bull writes

In fairness, I can understand where they're coming from in playing
down OEPs. But as has been commented up-thread, it seems a recipe for
negative feedback down the line when Elsie 85 from Clapton gets her
photo in the paper waving a penalty notice in one hand and an Oyster
Card in the other because "no one told 'er about no extension permit
in the paper."

Elsie 85 from Clapton is highly unlikely to be PF'd as she would be
travelling on her Freedom pass !

--
Paul Terry

On Nov 23, 3:36*pm, Paul Terry wrote:
In message
, John
Bull writes

In fairness, I can understand where they're coming from in playing
down OEPs. But as has been commented up-thread, it seems a recipe for
negative feedback down the line when Elsie 85 from Clapton gets her
photo in the paper waving a penalty notice in one hand and an Oyster
Card in the other because "no one told 'er about no extension permit
in the paper."

Elsie 85 from Clapton is highly unlikely to be PF'd as she would be
travelling on her Freedom pass !

--
Paul Terry

Christ - don't tell Elsie that or she'll be in the papers AGAIN.

Yeah, sorry, bad example age-wise!

On Nov 23, 3:47 pm, John Bull wrote:
On Nov 23, 3:36 pm, Paul Terry wrote:
Elsie 85 from Clapton is highly unlikely to be PF'd as she would be
travelling on her Freedom pass !

Christ - don't tell Elsie that or she'll be in the papers AGAIN.

Yeah, sorry, bad example age-wise!

Or perhaps you meant Elsie from Clapton, Somerset who is in London on
a trip?

--
Abi

"Abigail Brady" wrote in message
...
On Nov 23, 10:40 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-fo...

Bit of a non-sequitur he

:It means the farthest stop away from London passengers will be able
to use their Oyster card will be Watford.

Even ignoring the little issue that Amersham is a fair bit further,
Watford [Met/Junction/High Street] are all Oyster PAYG enabled
already. I posted a comment pointing this out - we'll see if it gets
through moderation. It's almost as if the Standard have people
writing articles on topics they know nothing about...


Having read it at leisure now, the first fare example seems to be total
********:

"The biggest savings will be on long journeys, such as between Surbiton in
Zone 6 and Waterloo for which the off-peak price will fall from £5 to
£3.20."

Actually, no... The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime
(peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to
get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single.

Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a
table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for
Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from?

Paul S

On Nov 23, 4:56*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Abigail Brady" wrote in message

...



On Nov 23, 10:40 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-fo....

Bit of a non-sequitur he

:It means the farthest stop away from London passengers will be able
to use their Oyster card will be Watford.

Even ignoring the little issue that Amersham is a fair bit further,
Watford [Met/Junction/High Street] are all Oyster PAYG enabled
already. *I posted a comment pointing this out - we'll see if it gets
through moderation. *It's almost as if the Standard have people
writing articles on topics they know nothing about...

Having read it at leisure now, the first fare example seems to be total
********:

"The biggest savings will be on long journeys, such as between Surbiton in
Zone 6 and Waterloo for which the off-peak price will fall from £5 to
£3.20."

Actually, no... *The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime
(peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to
get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single.

Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a
table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for
Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from?

Paul S

That box is repeated wholesale from the official press release
(they're listed as a table in the "notes to editors" section)

You weren't thinking the Metro actually indulged in some research were
you?!

On 23 Nov, 17:04, John Bull wrote:
On Nov 23, 4:56*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:





"Abigail Brady" wrote in message

....

On Nov 23, 10:40 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-fo...

Bit of a non-sequitur he

:It means the farthest stop away from London passengers will be able
to use their Oyster card will be Watford.

Even ignoring the little issue that Amersham is a fair bit further,
Watford [Met/Junction/High Street] are all Oyster PAYG enabled
already. *I posted a comment pointing this out - we'll see if it gets
through moderation. *It's almost as if the Standard have people
writing articles on topics they know nothing about...

Having read it at leisure now, the first fare example seems to be total
********:

"The biggest savings will be on long journeys, such as between Surbiton in
Zone 6 and Waterloo for which the off-peak price will fall from £5 to
£3.20."

Actually, no... *The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime
(peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to
get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single..

Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a
table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for
Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from?

Paul S

That box is repeated wholesale from the official press release
(they're listed as a table in the "notes to editors" section)

You weren't thinking the Metro actually indulged in some research were
you?!-

Is it what the cash fare will be increased to, to coerce people into
using Oyster?

That's the kind of "reduction" that happened on LU.