Didn't we already know this?

http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/legacy/...il.asp?id=6771

Ian

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"Ian F." wrote in message
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Didn't we already know this?

http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/legacy/...il.asp?id=6771

Of course we did, but it is only today that TfL have made the public
announcement. So every London local rag will now have to run their own
version of the story, and every local politician will claim his share of the
credit...

The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-for-trains-tube-and-buses-in-oyster-card-rail-revolution.do

Looks like the existing 'London Connections' style map will be tweaked a bit
and called 'World of Oyster'. Presumably all those pax who have only ever
focused on the tube map will assume a whole load of new lines have been
built...

Also note the throwaway line 'Train operators will be able to set their own
prices for journeys.' Which can be interpreted a few ways, and probably will
be...

Paul S

In message , at 10:40:55 on
Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Paul Scott remarked:
Also note the throwaway line 'Train operators will be able to set their own
prices for journeys.' Which can be interpreted a few ways, and probably will
be...

So not the same fare as you would have paid travelling entirely on the
UndergrounD? eg A different fare to get to Richmond, depending on the
train you caught.

How will the daily capping work, in that case.

And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication
that Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service?
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 10:40:55 on Mon,
23 Nov 2009, Paul Scott remarked:
Also note the throwaway line 'Train operators will be able to set their
own
prices for journeys.' Which can be interpreted a few ways, and probably
will
be...

So not the same fare as you would have paid travelling entirely on the
UndergrounD? eg A different fare to get to Richmond, depending on the
train you caught.

Yes - but there have been a number of previous uk.t.l threads on the matter,
so I won't add to that.

How will the daily capping work, in that case.

Same as now, travel mode will not matter, except the Oyster PAYG daily caps
are rising by 50p to be the same as the equivalent paper travelcard.
According to the TfL fares announcement this is because Oyster no longer has
the disadvantage of limited NR coverage.

And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that
Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service?

Last info I saw was that Connect beyond Hayes and Harlington remains outside
PAYG, but don't quote me.

Paul S

In message , at 11:20:58 on
Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Paul Scott remarked:
So not the same fare as you would have paid travelling entirely on the
UndergrounD? eg A different fare to get to Richmond, depending on the
train you caught.

Yes - but there have been a number of previous uk.t.l threads on the matter,
so I won't add to that.

How will the daily capping work, in that case.

Same as now, travel mode will not matter, except the Oyster PAYG daily caps
are rising by 50p to be the same as the equivalent paper travelcard.
According to the TfL fares announcement this is because Oyster no longer has
the disadvantage of limited NR coverage.

But at least that means no individual NR fare can exceed the relevant
daily cap.
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Roland Perry

On Nov 23, 10:40 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-fo...

Bit of a non-sequitur he

:It means the farthest stop away from London passengers will be able
to use their Oyster card will be Watford.

Even ignoring the little issue that Amersham is a fair bit further,
Watford [Met/Junction/High Street] are all Oyster PAYG enabled
already. I posted a comment pointing this out - we'll see if it gets
through moderation. It's almost as if the Standard have people
writing articles on topics they know nothing about...

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Abi

Throwing some links in:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/13688.aspx
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...n-Jan-2010.pdf
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-questions.pdf

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...extension.html
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...r_jan_2010.pdf

I presume the missing Emerson Park line on the last map is a mistake.

Still not a peep about OEPs. Is the documentation still on the
intranet, I wonder?

U

And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that
Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service?

Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by
Oyster.

Having spent the morning flicking through the "official" media docs.
Things that caught my eye a

1) No mention of OEPs. At all. TfL have since told me they'll only
affect 0.04% of passengers which presumably is justification for their
low key coverage.
2) All existing NR PAYG arrangements are to operate under the "TfL
Rate" fares-wise, which makes sense.
3) There's some rather nice tables detailing the total traffic figures
for the top 10 stations of each London Franchise
4) The new "Oyster Coverage" map is indeed pretty epic. I've cut it
out and put it on the London Reconnections post.

On 23 Nov, 13:50, John Bull wrote:
And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that
Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service?

Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by
Oyster.

Having spent the morning flicking through the "official" media docs.
Things that caught my eye a

1) No mention of OEPs. At all. TfL have since told me they'll only
affect 0.04% of passengers which presumably is justification for their
low key coverage.

Yes but it will generate 100% of the bad publicity when people start
being penalty fared !!

On 23 Nov, 14:02, trainmanUK wrote:
On 23 Nov, 13:50, John Bull wrote:

And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that
Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service?

Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by
Oyster.

Having spent the morning flicking through the "official" media docs.
Things that caught my eye a

1) No mention of OEPs. At all. TfL have since told me they'll only
affect 0.04% of passengers which presumably is justification for their
low key coverage.

Yes but it will generate 100% of the bad publicity when people start
being penalty fared !!

Someone should point out that it may be 0.04% of journeys, but not
necessarily 0.04% of passengers. Everyone with a travelcard may
extend beyond their zones for 0.04% of their journeys or something,
but if they get screwed the first time they do, that's a lot of
"customers" who won't be very gruntled about Oyster.