Arthur Figgis wrote:
wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:36:25 +0000, "
wrote:

I wonder if that will change anytime soon, considering that it this
is often the case in continental Europe.

I think the DLR would operate too slowly if fully automatic, as people
would keep holding the doors open. (For safety reasons, you couldn't
force them to close on people - you'd have to work them like a lift).

That aside, are there any automated railways anywhere that don't have
platform edge doors?

Vancouver

Kuala Lumpur (which is the same kit as Vancouver)
Copenhagen.

Copenhagen has platform-edge doors.

Neil Williams wrote:
On 2 Dec, 09:56, wrote:

The entire central line.

The doors are operated manually, and the command to depart after
checking the doors is given by the driver pressing a button. Same
with the Viccy line,

Two buttons, in both cases.

and for that matter the DLR.

It depends what mode the train is in:

If the captain is operating the doors from the front, then it is one
button that he pushes.

If he is moving about the train however, he will close all other doors
from where he is standing. But his door will remain open and allow him
to check the platform. After he closes his door, then the train takes
off -- no other positive action is required.


It's the operation of the doors, and most importantly the confirmation
they are closed and nothing is trapped in them, that is the issue.

Neil

Arthur Figgis wrote:
wrote:
Pyromancer wrote:
Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as SB
gently breathed:

Bearing in
mind that there have been a number of fatal crashes in the US due to
the drivers texting, is this acceptable behaviour? SB.

Slight difference though, in the cases in the US, the driver was
actually driving the train. On the DLR, unless working in emergency
manual mode (where the train captain actually handles the power
controller thingie), it's all fully automated.

At the time the DLR was built, it was felt that the public wouldn't
accept totally automated, staffless trains. Hence the provision of
the train captains to be a staff presence on board without having to
have actual drivers.


I wonder if that will change anytime soon, considering that it this is
often the case in continental Europe.

It might be a really bad aide for the train captains to try striking.

Has Nuremberg fitted platform doors?

No idea.

wrote

Two buttons, in both cases.

and for that matter the DLR.

It depends what mode the train is in:

If the captain is operating the doors from the front, then it is one
button that he pushes.

If he is moving about the train however, he will close all other doors
from where he is standing. But his door will remain open and allow him to
check the platform. After he closes his door, then the train takes off --
no other positive action is required.

AIUI when operating from a door he presses one button which initiates the
closing of all the other doors. When he has checked that no-one's trapped he
initiates the closing of his door. When that is closed the train starts.
When operating from the front he presses one button to initiate the closing
of all the doors one side (and another button if the doors are open both
sides, as at Canary Wharf or Tower Gateway. When the doors are all closed
and he's checked in the platform mirror(s) that it's safe to go he has to
press another button to start the train.

Peter

wrote:
Arthur Figgis wrote:
wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
That aside, are there any automated railways anywhere that don't have
platform edge doors?

Vancouver

Kuala Lumpur (which is the same kit as Vancouver)
Copenhagen.

Copenhagen has platform-edge doors.

Only at the central area underground stations.

As I said in my other post, the open-air stations don't. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Me...nd_Station.jpg for an
example of a station that doesn't have platform-edge doors. There is
another example (Bella Center station) at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmdoubl...7622796173361/
--
Jeremy Double {real address, include nospam}
Rail and transport photos at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmdoubl...7603834894248/

wrote:
Arthur Figgis wrote:
wrote:
Pyromancer wrote:
Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as SB
gently breathed:

Bearing in
mind that there have been a number of fatal crashes in the US due to
the drivers texting, is this acceptable behaviour? SB.

Slight difference though, in the cases in the US, the driver was
actually driving the train. On the DLR, unless working in emergency
manual mode (where the train captain actually handles the power
controller thingie), it's all fully automated.

At the time the DLR was built, it was felt that the public wouldn't
accept totally automated, staffless trains. Hence the provision of
the train captains to be a staff presence on board without having to
have actual drivers.


I wonder if that will change anytime soon, considering that it this
is often the case in continental Europe.

It might be a really bad aide

....idea...

for the train captains to try striking.

Has Nuremberg fitted platform doors?

No idea.

http://www.rubin-nuernberg.de/index.htm?bahnsteig_eng
"Due to the mixed operation of automated and conventional trains, which
has been carried out in Nuremberg for a time, and the presence of curved
platform, platform doors are not an option for Nuremberg metro stations."

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 2 Dec, 15:37, "Peter Masson" wrote:
wrote

Two buttons, in both cases.

and for that matter the DLR.

It depends what mode the train is in:

If the captain is operating the doors from the front, then it is one
button that he pushes.

If he is moving about the train however, he will close all other doors
from where he is standing. But his door will remain open and allow him to
check the platform. After he closes his door, then the train takes off -- *
no other positive action is required.

AIUI when operating from a door he presses one button which initiates the
closing of all the other doors. When he has checked that no-one's trapped he
initiates the closing of his door. When that is closed the train starts.
When operating from the front he presses one button to initiate the closing
of all the doors one side (and another button if the doors are open both
sides, as at Canary Wharf or Tower Gateway. When the doors are all closed
and he's checked in the platform mirror(s) that it's safe to go he has to
press another button to start the train.

Peter

But it seems that if the key comes out, the door reverts to being a
normal door and closes, and the train takes off without further
prompt. I think they often just pull the key out, rather than press
the close button for their own door.

That was what was meant to have happened that time that the captain
stepped out and let the key fall out, and was left behind on the
platform (and had to chase the train to the next station).

Arthur Figgis wrote on 02 December 2009
18:23:35 ...
wrote:
Arthur Figgis wrote:
wrote:
Pyromancer wrote:
Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as SB
gently breathed:

Bearing in
mind that there have been a number of fatal crashes in the US due to
the drivers texting, is this acceptable behaviour? SB.

Slight difference though, in the cases in the US, the driver was
actually driving the train. On the DLR, unless working in emergency
manual mode (where the train captain actually handles the power
controller thingie), it's all fully automated.

At the time the DLR was built, it was felt that the public wouldn't
accept totally automated, staffless trains. Hence the provision of
the train captains to be a staff presence on board without having to
have actual drivers.

I wonder if that will change anytime soon, considering that it this
is often the case in continental Europe.

It might be a really bad aide

...idea...

for the train captains to try striking.

Has Nuremberg fitted platform doors?

No idea.

http://www.rubin-nuernberg.de/index.htm?bahnsteig_eng
"Due to the mixed operation of automated and conventional trains, which
has been carried out in Nuremberg for a time, and the presence of curved
platform, platform doors are not an option for Nuremberg metro stations."

Curved platforms at some stations on Line 1 of the Paris Métro aren't
preventing the installation of curved doors there. Bastille will be
interesting, with both curved platforms and a significant gradient at
the eastern end. Of course, if the mixture of rolling stock in
Nuremberg means that door positions vary between trains, then that would
be a valid reason not to install PEDs.

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

"Richard J." writes:
"Due to the mixed operation of automated and conventional trains,
which has been carried out in Nuremberg for a time, and the presence
of curved platform, platform doors are not an option for Nuremberg
metro stations."

Curved platforms at some stations on Line 1 of the Paris Métro aren't
preventing the installation of curved doors there.

Even if curved doors are significantly more expensive or something, I
don't see why they couldn't just use straight doors on a curved wall --
it would mean a very small amount of wasted space between the center of
the door and the edge of the platform, but who cares...?

-Miles

--
Run away! Run away!

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
On 2 Dec, 10:56, "John Nuttall" wrote:

Singapore (LRT)

As in that guided bus wotsit? I'm sure I recall the trains having
PEDs.

Neil


No, LRT as I said.

The North East Line and Circle Line heavy rail have PSDs. The East West Line
and North South Line are not driverless.

--

Regards

John