On Dec 7, 8:13*am, MIG wrote:
On 7 Dec, 01:30, "solar penguin" wrote:





Hi everyone.

This is probably a very obvious question that's been dealt with dozens
of times already, but Google doesn't seem to be turning anything up.

Currently, if you own a paper point-to-point season ticket, and want to
extend an off-peak return journey beyond its furthest point, you can
buy, from your local station, an off-peak cheap day return for the
excess portion before you start your journey.

For eaxmple, say you had a season ticket between Gipsy Hill and Croydon
because that's where you live and/or work, but you want to visit Sutton
one weekend to do your shopping, because that's less of a dump than
Croydon. *You can buy an an off-peak cheap day return from Croydon to
Sutton at the Gipsy Hill ticket office.

What are we supposed to do when off-peak paper tickets in London are
abolished next year? *Since AIUI point-to-point seasons won't be
available under Oyster next year, and will continue to be only issued on
paper tickets, we won't even have the luxury of using those newfangled
OEP things. *Instead the choice seems to be between either

1) buying a full-price peak-hour anytime return for the excess portion
before starting the journey even though that's a more expensive fare,

2) travelling the first section using the season, getting out of the
train at West Croydon, going to the ticket office there, using your
season to let you out of the barriers if theyi're in use, touching in
with Oyster, returning to the platform, waiting for the next train, and
continuing to Sutton,

or 3) leaving the season at home and just using Oyster PAYG all the way
even though that means paying twice for the bit covered by the season.

Those people moaining about OEPs just don't know how lucky they really
are...

That's exactly the situation now when extending a journey on LU with a
paper travelcard.

It's not a problem.

Having to get off the train to touch in and out is perfectly
acceptable.

Now, never again question the benefits of and benevolent intentions
behind Oyster.

Haha.

The point is, on LU it isn't a problem, because on LU there's no
reason to have a paper season ticket and paper season tickets aren't
sold.

On NR, there is a reason to have a paper season ticket and paper
season tickets are sold, so it is a problem.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On 7 Dec, 11:34, John B wrote:
On Dec 7, 8:13*am, MIG wrote:





On 7 Dec, 01:30, "solar penguin" wrote:

Hi everyone.

This is probably a very obvious question that's been dealt with dozens
of times already, but Google doesn't seem to be turning anything up.

Currently, if you own a paper point-to-point season ticket, and want to
extend an off-peak return journey beyond its furthest point, you can
buy, from your local station, an off-peak cheap day return for the
excess portion before you start your journey.

For eaxmple, say you had a season ticket between Gipsy Hill and Croydon
because that's where you live and/or work, but you want to visit Sutton
one weekend to do your shopping, because that's less of a dump than
Croydon. *You can buy an an off-peak cheap day return from Croydon to
Sutton at the Gipsy Hill ticket office.

What are we supposed to do when off-peak paper tickets in London are
abolished next year? *Since AIUI point-to-point seasons won't be
available under Oyster next year, and will continue to be only issued on
paper tickets, we won't even have the luxury of using those newfangled
OEP things. *Instead the choice seems to be between either

1) buying a full-price peak-hour anytime return for the excess portion
before starting the journey even though that's a more expensive fare,

2) travelling the first section using the season, getting out of the
train at West Croydon, going to the ticket office there, using your
season to let you out of the barriers if theyi're in use, touching in
with Oyster, returning to the platform, waiting for the next train, and
continuing to Sutton,

or 3) leaving the season at home and just using Oyster PAYG all the way
even though that means paying twice for the bit covered by the season..

Those people moaining about OEPs just don't know how lucky they really
are...

That's exactly the situation now when extending a journey on LU with a
paper travelcard.

It's not a problem.

Having to get off the train to touch in and out is perfectly
acceptable.

Now, never again question the benefits of and benevolent intentions
behind Oyster.

Haha.

The point is, on LU it isn't a problem, because on LU there's no
reason to have a paper season ticket and paper season tickets aren't
sold.

On NR, there is a reason to have a paper season ticket and paper
season tickets are sold, so it is a problem.


So people with paper travelcards bought from NR don't use LU?

Yes, I know there are various unreliable and inconvenient ways of
making sure that you always have your travelcard on Oyster, but there
are still cases where you can't.

For example, outboundary 1 - 6 travelcard and wanting to travel on the
Metropolitan beyond zone 6 at the Oyster rate. Yes, it's happened to
me.

On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:34:17 -0800 (PST), John B wrote:

behind Oyster.

Haha.

The point is, on LU it isn't a problem, because on LU there's no
reason to have a paper season ticket

Yes there is - validity to/from an NR station outside the zones.

and paper season tickets aren't sold.

Yes they are - see above.

On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 03:34:17AM -0800, John B wrote:

The point is, on LU it isn't a problem, because on LU there's no
reason to have a paper season ticket and paper season tickets aren't
sold.

Do LU sell one day travelcards on Oyster now then? Travelcards are
season tickets, the one day version just happen to be for a very short
season.

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On 9 Dec, 14:58, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 03:34:17AM -0800, John B wrote:
The point is, on LU it isn't a problem, because on LU there's no
reason to have a paper season ticket and paper season tickets aren't
sold.

Do LU sell one day travelcards on Oyster now then? *Travelcards are
season tickets, the one day version just happen to be for a very short
season.


And it's possible that one might realise later in the day that one
needs to extend zones. That's happened to me too.

On Dec 9, 4:30*pm, MIG wrote:
On 9 Dec, 14:58, David Cantrell wrote:

On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 03:34:17AM -0800, John B wrote:
The point is, on LU it isn't a problem, because on LU there's no
reason to have a paper season ticket and paper season tickets aren't
sold.

Do LU sell one day travelcards on Oyster now then? *Travelcards are
season tickets, the one day version just happen to be for a very short
season.

And it's possible that one might realise later in the day that one
needs to extend zones. *That's happened to me too.

....but won't after January, because you'll simply be able to use your
Oyster card on all means of transport within the zones and
automatically be charged the ODTC price as a cap.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Dec 9, 2:58*pm, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 03:34:17AM -0800, John B wrote:
The point is, on LU it isn't a problem, because on LU there's no
reason to have a paper season ticket and paper season tickets aren't
sold.

Do LU sell one day travelcards on Oyster now then? *Travelcards are
season tickets, the one day version just happen to be for a very short
season.

No they aren't, which is why the combination-of-ticket rules are
different (ie with a ODTC, you need to have a BZ ticket or for the
train to stop at the station where validity changes).

In any case, paper ODTCs become irrelevant at the same time as the
abolition of CDRs (actually, that's an interesting one - are LU going
to continue selling paper ODTCs now that there is absolutely no
advantage in having one compared to a capped Oyster PAYG?)

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

John B wrote:

In any case, paper ODTCs become irrelevant at the same time as the
abolition of CDRs (actually, that's an interesting one - are LU going
to continue selling paper ODTCs now that there is absolutely no
advantage in having one compared to a capped Oyster PAYG?)

Surely they (and the TOCs) will carry on selling them for the benefit of
those many millions of the population that haven't got Oyster cards?

Clearly the TOCs aren't expecting every one of their cash customers to
arrange an Oyster card by Jan 2nd either...

Paul S

On Dec 10, 3:20*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
John B wrote:
In any case, paper ODTCs become irrelevant at the same time as the
abolition of CDRs (actually, that's an interesting one - are LU going
to continue selling paper ODTCs now that there is absolutely no
advantage in having one compared to a capped Oyster PAYG?)

Surely they (and the TOCs) will carry on selling them for the benefit of
those many millions of the population that haven't got Oyster cards?

Clearly the TOCs aren't expecting every one of their cash customers to
arrange an Oyster card by Jan 2nd either...

The TOCs will continue, sure. I don't see why, given that LU no longer
offers other multiple journey tickets on paper, they shouldn't shift
the ODTC to Oyster.

(it's not as if it'd be at all difficult for the millions of the
population who don't have Oyster cards to, erm, get one...)

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:39:16 -0800 (PST), John B
wrote:

The TOCs will continue, sure. I don't see why, given that LU no longer
offers other multiple journey tickets on paper, they shouldn't shift
the ODTC to Oyster.

(it's not as if it'd be at all difficult for the millions of the
population who don't have Oyster cards to, erm, get one...)

The only problem is the outboundary ODTC. There'd be no reason to put
the inboundary card "on" Oyster - the plan is that capped PAYG would
replace it.

I can see it getting to the point in not too much time, though, where
TfL consider withdrawing from the through ticketing arrangements with
the mainline (or insist an outboundary period Travelcard is issued in
two bits - Oyster for London, paper for the rest) because maintaining
the barriers would be cheaper without all the moving parts in the
magstripe reading bit.

Neil

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