Paul Scott wrote:


If Oyster becomes standard on National Rail, it could be a serious
blow against proper point-to-point seasons. I'm worried they might
even be abolished on NR to force everyone into paying extra for
Travelcards, just like has already happened on LU.


The TOCs already announced, (some time prior to 2008 when all
non-seasons became zonally priced), that all point to point seasons
within the zones would be changed to zonal pricing from Jan 2010.

I don't think anything more has been announced about that recently
though. Seasons could still show origin and destination, but there'd
be little point in not making them valid zonally.

That's depressing news. Thanks for the warning.

Out of curiosity, will these be zonal NR-only season tickets? Or will
there only be Travelcards, forcing us to pay for tube/DLR etc. validity
that we don't need.

On 7 Dec, 19:48, "solar penguin" wrote:
Out of curiosity, will these be zonal NR-only season tickets? Or will
there only be Travelcards, forcing us to pay for tube/DLR etc. validity
that we don't need. *

Neither - It'll be the same as we already have for singles/returns in
the zones - same tickets, same point-to-point validities, but uniform
pricing based on the zones passed through. So a Gipsy Hill-Croydon
season will cost the same Z3-5 rate as a Barnes-Twickenham season.
This will be less than the Travelcard rate, but I can't find 2010
pricing anywhere.

In fact, Southern already use zonal pricing for their seasons, so a
Gipsy Hill - Sutton season costs exactly the same as what the OP has
and I'm fairly certain is valid via both East and West Croydon and, so
there's very little reason for them not to switch to one.

U

Mr Thant wrote:


In fact, Southern already use zonal pricing for their seasons, so a
Gipsy Hill - Sutton season costs exactly the same as what the OP has

Thanks. I didn't know that. You mean they've been charging me for
journeys all the way to Sutton even when I've only been going as far as
West Croydon! The sneaky *******s!

and I'm fairly certain is valid via both East and West Croydon
and, so there's very little reason for them not to switch to one.


Might also be valid via Balham/Mitcham as well. If so, I'd probably use
that enough to justify getting one.

Silly question, would it still open the barriers at West Croydon?

On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:14:48 -0000, solar penguin wrote:

In fact, Southern already use zonal pricing for their seasons, so a
Gipsy Hill - Sutton season costs exactly the same as what the OP has

Thanks. I didn't know that. You mean they've been charging me for
journeys all the way to Sutton even when I've only been going as far as
West Croydon! The sneaky *******s!

Guess what, those sneaky *******s have also been charging you for 50
return journeys a day* when you've only been making 1.

* Or however many is physically possible in the current timetable.

solar penguin wrote:
Mr Thant wrote:

In fact, Southern already use zonal pricing for their seasons, so a
Gipsy Hill - Sutton season costs exactly the same as what the OP has

Thanks. I didn't know that. You mean they've been charging me for
journeys all the way to Sutton even when I've only been going as far as
West Croydon! The sneaky *******s!

and I'm fairly certain is valid via both East and West Croydon
and, so there's very little reason for them not to switch to one.


Might also be valid via Balham/Mitcham as well. If so, I'd probably use
that enough to justify getting one.

Silly question, would it still open the barriers at West Croydon?

I buy a "limit of the zone" to "limit of the zone" annual season ticket,
and the barriers at Sutton accept it but the ones at Wallington don't.
There is usually a queue of people with seasons waiting to be let
through the manual gates at Wallington.

In the past I used to get a one-zone travelcard as it wasn't that much
more expensive and once I'd paid it made the marginal cost of bus and
trips 0, but then they abolished them and a two-zone travelcard is
vastly more expensive than a rail-only season ticket and paying bus
fares on Oyster. Even if the black helicopters can now find me.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

solar penguin wrote:
Paul Scott wrote:

The TOCs already announced, (some time prior to 2008 when all
non-seasons became zonally priced), that all point to point seasons
within the zones would be changed to zonal pricing from Jan 2010.

I don't think anything more has been announced about that recently
though. Seasons could still show origin and destination, but there'd
be little point in not making them valid zonally.

That's depressing news. Thanks for the warning.

Out of curiosity, will these be zonal NR-only season tickets? Or will
there only be Travelcards, forcing us to pay for tube/DLR etc.
validity that we don't need.

As I've just posted elsewhere in the thread, the new prices appear to have
been loaded, so it ought to be possible to use the National Rail enquires
season ticket calculator to test what the new prices are, and compare with
your existing season?

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/en/pj/sts

Paul S