(last year's statement) In line with the Oyster PAYG off-peak fares,
there will be a change to the times when South West Trains' Super Off
Peak `turn up and go' ticket is valid for journeys from London.

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/any...k-advance.aspx
click on -Off-Peak and Super Off-Peak fares-
[...]
From Monday 4 January 2010, the return portion of a {Super Off-Peak}
Day Return or Day Travelcard will change. You cannot use it to leave
London Waterloo, Vauxhall, Queenstown Road or Clapham Junction to
stations outside London Zones 1-6 between 16:00 and 19:00, Monday to
Friday. A map of this area is available here. If you wish to make your
return journey during this time, you should buy an Off Peak Day Return
or Off Peak Day Travelcard
==

So no need for an Anytime Day return

Is this different to the rule as used in North London ?

Seems easy to get round in most cases by taking the first train to
Richmond, Wimbledon or Surbiton and then the train you want.

My previous scheme of buying a day return to Surbiton plus a London
zones 1-6 ODTC also.
The new possibility is a day return plus PAYG Oyster touching in & out
at a Surbiton validator (£3.20+£4.90 so capped at £7.50 - £5.00 with
Railcard)

--
Mike D

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

Seems easy to get round in most cases by taking the first train to
Richmond, Wimbledon or Surbiton and then the train you want.

Hmm, Portsmouth services may stop at Clapham after leaving Waterloo, but
then they don't usually stop until Woking.

Rgds

Denis McMahon

In article 01ca8da5$f871ac80$LocalHost@default, (Michael
R N Dolbear) wrote:

(last year's statement) In line with the Oyster PAYG off-peak fares,
there will be a change to the times when South West Trains' Super Off
Peak `turn up and go' ticket is valid for journeys from London.

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/any...k-advance.aspx
click on -Off-Peak and Super Off-Peak fares-
[...]
From Monday 4 January 2010, the return portion of a {Super Off-Peak}
Day Return or Day Travelcard will change. You cannot use it to leave
London Waterloo, Vauxhall, Queenstown Road or Clapham Junction to
stations outside London Zones 1-6 between 16:00 and 19:00, Monday to
Friday. A map of this area is available here. If you wish to make your
return journey during this time, you should buy an Off Peak Day Return
or Off Peak Day Travelcard
==

So no need for an Anytime Day return

Don't you need that for morning peak travel?

Is this different to the rule as used in North London ?

Seems easy to get round in most cases by taking the first train to
Richmond, Wimbledon or Surbiton and then the train you want.

My previous scheme of buying a day return to Surbiton plus a London
zones 1-6 ODTC also.
The new possibility is a day return plus PAYG Oyster touching in & out
at a Surbiton validator (£3.20+£4.90 so capped at £7.50 - £5.00 with
Railcard)

The evening peak is wider than FCC's which is 16:30-19:01.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message
news:01ca8da5$f871ac80$LocalHost@default...
(last year's statement) In line with the Oyster PAYG off-peak fares,
there will be a change to the times when South West Trains' Super Off
Peak `turn up and go' ticket is valid for journeys from London.

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/any...k-advance.aspx
click on -Off-Peak and Super Off-Peak fares-
[...]
From Monday 4 January 2010, the return portion of a {Super Off-Peak}
Day Return or Day Travelcard will change. You cannot use it to leave
London Waterloo, Vauxhall, Queenstown Road or Clapham Junction to
stations outside London Zones 1-6 between 16:00 and 19:00, Monday to
Friday. A map of this area is available here. If you wish to make your
return journey during this time, you should buy an Off Peak Day Return
or Off Peak Day Travelcard
==

So no need for an Anytime Day return

Is this different to the rule as used in North London ?

Basically yes, it could be. For some TOCs their normal reduced fare is
the Offpeak, and you often do need an 'Anytime' to travel in the afternoon
peak.

Seems easy to get round in most cases by taking the first train to
Richmond, Wimbledon or Surbiton and then the train you want.

Well that's definitely a logical interpretation of what they've published,
assuming changing at any of those stations is practical - as others have
suggested it's a lot of hassle if you are heading to somewhere like
Southampton or Portsmouth.

I reckon many TOC's rules imply limitations of use on 'trains' departing
between those times, ie you wouldn't be able to join them further along the
service. But what SWT have written might work for them, a service that is
first stop Woking will empty significantly there, and cope with SOP ticket
holders joining.

Paul S

wrote

(Michael R Dolbear) wrote:

(last year's statement) In line with the Oyster PAYG off-peak
fares,
there will be a change to the times when South West Trains' Super
Off
Peak `turn up and go' ticket is valid for journeys from London.

M-F 16.00-19.00
Friday. A map of this area is available here. If you wish to make
your
return journey during this time, you should buy an Off Peak Day
Return
or Off Peak Day Travelcard
==

So no need for an Anytime Day return

Don't you need that for morning peak travel?

I was looking at the change in validity for off-peak tickets of various
varieties

The 'Anytime' note was a reference back to a Sept '09 thread in this NG

"Senior railcard discount - or not? - on Anytime travelcard" which
noted that tickets bought with a Railcard were not valid in the M-F
morning peak but there the availability of the discount was not a joke
since some TOCs {but not, then or now, SWT} required an Anytime ticket
for return travel in the evening peak


Is this different to the rule as used in North London ?
The evening peak is wider than FCC's which is 16:30-19:01.

Thanks.

--
Mike D

Paul Scott wrote

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote

{Super Off-Peak}
Day Return or Day Travelcard will change. You cannot use it to
leave
London Waterloo, Vauxhall, Queenstown Road or Clapham Junction to
stations outside London Zones 1-6 between 16:00 and 19:00, Monday
to
Friday.

Seems easy to get round in most cases by taking the first train to
Richmond, Wimbledon or Surbiton and then the train you want.

Well that's definitely a logical interpretation of what they've
published,
assuming changing at any of those stations is practical - as others
have
suggested it's a lot of hassle if you are heading to somewhere like
Southampton or Portsmouth.

Indeed, first train to Surbiton then first to Woking may be a bit much
trouble to save 20% or so but the idea may be useful if you
unexpectedly have to get home and don't want to shell out extra.

--
Mike D

"Denis McMahon" wrote in message
...
Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

Seems easy to get round in most cases by taking the first train to
Richmond, Wimbledon or Surbiton and then the train you want.

Hmm, Portsmouth services may stop at Clapham after leaving Waterloo, but
then they don't usually stop until Woking.

So catch the slow to Woking/Guildford then. Still much better than waiting
until the 19:30

tim

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
Paul Scott wrote

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote

{Super Off-Peak}
Day Return or Day Travelcard will change. You cannot use it to leave
London Waterloo, Vauxhall, Queenstown Road or Clapham Junction to
stations outside London Zones 1-6 between 16:00 and 19:00, Monday to
Friday.

Seems easy to get round in most cases by taking the first train to
Richmond, Wimbledon or Surbiton and then the train you want.

Well that's definitely a logical interpretation of what they've
published, assuming changing at any of those stations is practical -
as others have suggested it's a lot of hassle if you are heading to
somewhere like Southampton or Portsmouth.

Indeed, first train to Surbiton then first to Woking may be a bit much
trouble to save 20% or so but the idea may be useful if you
unexpectedly have to get home and don't want to shell out extra.

Update - I asked in uk.railway this morning, prompted by a similar question
about LM restrictions.
Super Off Peak (SCO) Woking-Waterloo:

Restriction : BD
OUTWARD TRAVEL:

By any train except those
timed to depart Mondays -
Fridays before 1100.

RETURN TRAVEL;

By any train except those
timed to depart London
Terminals, Queenstown Rd or
Clapham Junction Mondays to
Fridays between 1600 & 1900
inclusive.

So that is basically the way the restrictions are usually shown in the fares
manual - which means you can't join a train elsewhere.

Paul