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Had to get the tube to work today for obvious reasons. Nice to see a 2.80
fare has gone up to 3.10. And for that extra 30p I get a 15 minute delay on the central line due to some signal failure or other. Oh what a surprise. Pathetic bloody system. B2003 |
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On Jan 6, 10:14*am, wrote:
Had to get the tube to work today for obvious reasons. Nice to see a 2.80 fare has gone up to 3.10. And for that extra 30p I get a 15 minute delay on the central line due to some signal failure or other. Oh what a surprise. Pathetic bloody system. Well at least you'll be able to claim your £3.10 back under the Customer Charter. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/refunds/tuberefund/ |
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Had to get the tube to work today for obvious reasons. Nice to see a 2.80 fare has gone up to 3.10. And for that extra 30p I get a 15 minute delay on the central line due to some signal failure or other. Oh what a surprise. Pathetic bloody system. The 'obvious reasons' presumably being that the Tube was working and the roads were unusable? I wonder how the Tube staff got to work? You should, at least, be pleased that they succeeded. |
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 02:58:46 -0800 (PST)
martin wrote: On Jan 6, 10:14=A0am, wrote: Had to get the tube to work today for obvious reasons. Nice to see a 2.80 fare has gone up to 3.10. And for that extra 30p I get a 15 minute delay on the central line due to some signal failure or other. Oh what a surpri= se. Pathetic bloody system. Well at least you'll be able to claim your =A33.10 back under the Customer Charter. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/refunds/tuberefund/ I always do - did it as soon as I got in. Notice how the refund forms have pretty much disappeared from obvious locations in the stations and no mention is made of refunds anywhere. And once you've claimed you have to wait at least a month it seems. No doubt they're "regulating the refunds service" (said in nasal voice). B2003 |
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:04:30 -0000
"Recliner" wrote: wrote in message Had to get the tube to work today for obvious reasons. Nice to see a 2.80 fare has gone up to 3.10. And for that extra 30p I get a 15 minute delay on the central line due to some signal failure or other. Oh what a surprise. Pathetic bloody system. The 'obvious reasons' presumably being that the Tube was working and the roads were unusable? I wonder how the Tube staff got to work? You should, at least, be pleased that they succeeded. Yes, no doubt getting up at 4am in a blizzard isn't much fun. But then thats the nature of the career they chose. As a passenger all I'm concerned about is why the service is still ****. And more to the point why does a signal failure matter on an ATO line anyway? Either the ATO is working or it isn't. If it isn't why can't they just drive the trains manually? Or is signal failure a euphamism for total **** up? B2003 |
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:32:21 -0000
Jim Brittin [wake up to reply] wrote: Broken rail around Stratford allegedly. not much anyone can do quickly to repair. If they checked their track properly they might have spotted it before it broke. B2003 |
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:04:30 -0000 "Recliner" wrote: wrote in message Had to get the tube to work today for obvious reasons. Nice to see a 2.80 fare has gone up to 3.10. And for that extra 30p I get a 15 minute delay on the central line due to some signal failure or other. Oh what a surprise. Pathetic bloody system. The 'obvious reasons' presumably being that the Tube was working and the roads were unusable? I wonder how the Tube staff got to work? You should, at least, be pleased that they succeeded. Yes, no doubt getting up at 4am in a blizzard isn't much fun. But then thats the nature of the career they chose. As a passenger all I'm concerned about is why the service is still ****. The point I was making was that you found the roads undrivable, so why would it be any different for Tube staff. You're lucky they could even get in to work, in order to get you to work. Not transport related, but I was also pleased that my newspaper was delivered as normal, and so was my post (in fact, earlier than usual). |
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The point I was making was that you found the roads undrivable, so why would it be any different for Tube staff. You're lucky they could even get in to work, in order to get you to work. Don't tube depots have sleeping quarters especially for weather like this? -- We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile. |
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"Basil Jet" wrote in message
Steve Fitzgerald wrote: In message , Basil Jet writes Recliner wrote: The point I was making was that you found the roads undrivable, so why would it be any different for Tube staff. You're lucky they could even get in to work, in order to get you to work. Don't tube depots have sleeping quarters especially for weather like this? Now you're being silly; why would they? I thought I read that Neasden had some. In any case, you need more than drivers to run the Tube. Without station staff, line controllers, signalling staff, etc, etc, the line/station won't open. |
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writes Recliner wrote: The point I was making was that you found the roads undrivable, so why would it be any different for Tube staff. You're lucky they could even get in to work, in order to get you to work. Don't tube depots have sleeping quarters especially for weather like this? Now you're being silly; why would they? -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message
news:01ca8ecc$a067a4e0$LocalHost@default wrote No, that's just expensive. A rip-off would be something like a return journey Local--KX, a 13 min turnaround and return KX-Local. Rip-off, because I got charged £4 on (return) entry at KX and again at Local station. Then spend 20min on hold + 10m in conversation at 5p/min to And where can I find out about the time-out or whatever at KX that deliberately and unfairly overcharged me (twice!) for a completely unremarkable journey. where I touched in/out just fine? Nowhere that I can see. Surely you read this NG as well as posting to it (VBG) ? Kings Cross has always been a OSI (Out of station interchange), as discussed here, with from 15 to 40 minutes allowed to pass another gateline as part of the same journey. So with a "13 min turnaround" it seems likely that you were trapped by the maximum journey time rule and charged for two incomplete journeys Wouldn't simply returning to the original station have the same effect? But, if Paul had returned to a station one stop away, within the now very complicated maximum time rules, he might have had a bargain instead. |
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In message , Basil Jet writes Recliner wrote: The point I was making was that you found the roads undrivable, so why would it be any different for Tube staff. You're lucky they could even get in to work, in order to get you to work. Don't tube depots have sleeping quarters especially for weather like this? Now you're being silly; why would they? I thought I read that Neasden had some. -- We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile. |
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On 6 Jan, 12:25, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:04:30 -0000 "Recliner" wrote: wrote in message Had to get the tube to work today for obvious reasons. Nice to see a 2.80 fare has gone up to 3.10. And for that extra 30p I get a 15 minute delay on the central line due to some signal failure or other. Oh what a surprise. Pathetic bloody system. The 'obvious reasons' presumably being that the Tube was working and the roads were unusable? *I wonder how the Tube staff got to work? *You should, at least, be pleased that they succeeded. Yes, no doubt getting up at 4am in a blizzard isn't much fun. But then thats the nature of the career they chose. As a passenger all I'm concerned about is why the service is still ****. And more to the point why does a signal failure matter on an ATO line anyway? Either the ATO is working or it isn't. If it isn't why can't they just drive the trains manually? Or is signal failure a euphamism for total **** up? I thought "signal failure" generally meant "failsafe operation of signals" in practice. So if there's a failure of the track circuits or whotnot, the signals won't allow anything to move. |
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.... "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote Kings Cross has always been a OSI (Out of station interchange), as discussed here, with from 15 to 40 minutes allowed to pass another gateline as part of the same journey. So with a "13 min turnaround" it seems likely that you were trapped by the maximum journey time rule and charged for two incomplete journeys Wouldn't simply returning to the original station have the same effect? But, if Paul had returned to a station one stop away, within the now very complicated maximum time rules, he might have had a bargain instead. Not sure, lacking experimental data, but provided you took at least 15 minutes I thought you were just charged for a 1 zone excepyt that if the OSI made it a continuous journey the logic for the pink route validators may have noted a journey via zone 1, hee ! Various people have done a touch in/out just to collect, variously, a online top-up, set up auto top-up or go home to collect something so maybe the 15 minutes is for the second entry as an anti-passback measure ? -- Mike D |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
Well yes but OSIs have "sides" that are logically paired. If you re-enter the same side that you exited from it should not continue the original journey. More detail on precisely what the OP did would confirm whether the OSI acted properly or not. Exitted old Northern line (etc) gateline; back through the new one just to see what it was like (eg any more accessible with luggage etc). Local station was Canada Water. #Paul |
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:54:17 +0000
Tom Anderson wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, d wrote: Had to get the tube to work today for obvious reasons. Nice to see a 2.80 fare has gone up to 3.10. And for that extra 30p I get a 15 minute delay on the central line due to some signal failure or other. Oh what a surprise. Pathetic bloody system. Get a bike. Then get on yer bike. Yeah , because if I think its too risky to drive 13 miles in bad conditions I'm obviously going to do it on 2 wheels on a bloody bike and freeze to death in the process arn't I? Idiot. B2003 |
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What's your problem?
Obvious reasons? It was the only way you could get your copy of Metro? You wanted to catch a glimpse of the new platforms at Canning Town? Oh, wait a minute, maybe you had a little problem with bad weather. What was the problem? Your car wouldn't start because of the cold It doesn't have 4WD or snow chains Or perhaps you have opted NOT to pay for all the roads on your route to work to be treated so that you can drive safely. So shouldn't the "pathetic bloody system" comment be targeted more accurately at YOU? On 2010-01-06 10:14:47 +0000, d said: Had to get the tube to work today for obvious reasons. Nice to see a 2.80 fare has gone up to 3.10. And for that extra 30p I get a 15 minute delay on the central line due to some signal failure or other. Oh what a surprise. Pathetic bloody system. B2003 -- Writer / editor on London's River |
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On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 04:01:58 +0000
Bearded wrote: What's your problem? Obvious reasons? It was the only way you could get your copy of Metro? You wanted to catch a glimpse of the new platforms at Canning Town? Oh, wait a minute, maybe you had a little problem with bad weather. What was the problem? Your car wouldn't start because of the cold It doesn't have 4WD or snow chains Or perhaps you have opted NOT to pay for all the roads on your route to work to be treated so that you can drive safely. So shouldn't the "pathetic bloody system" comment be targeted more accurately at YOU? Is that supposed to be a coherent post? Are you on drugs? Writer / editor on London's River Seems to me you've been drinking too much of the river water. B2003 |
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On Jan 8, 9:51*am, wrote:
Is that supposed to be a coherent post? Are you on drugs? Totally coherent. By the way, why not complain that the buses weren't running? Or the taxis (or that they are too expensive/slow)? Or the boats? Or that the roads are clogged? Or that your feet don't go fast enough? Why single out one particular mode for complaint when it's at least as bad for others? [regards cycling] I'm obviously going to do it on 2 wheels on a bloody bike and freeze to death in the process arn't I? No. But you could do like many and cycle *without* freezing to death. Wrap up warm, like I do. It's perfectly safe if you are sensible and take your time. All this week I was first to work, beating *all* my motorised colleagues by cycling. Even when our outdoor thermometer said -8.8 degrees. I wasn't particularly cold. PhilD -- |
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ps, there are several Oyster Helpline numbers, another leaflet is needed to select the cheapest for your circumstances, time of day etc. but 0845 could be 2p/min or less from a BT landline when I last checkedhttp://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/ -- Mike D PPS saynoto0870 is your friend here Phil |
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wrote ps, there are several Oyster Helpline numbers, another leaflet is needed to select the cheapest for your circumstances, time of day etc. but 0845 could be 2p/min or less from a BT landline when I last checkedhttp://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/ PPS saynoto0870 is your friend here As noted in my other post there is now only one geographical suggestion. SN http://www.saynoto0870.com suggests SN ring 020 7222 5600 (-main TfL Switchboard - ask for Oystercard SN Ticketing & Refunds -Available Monday-Friday 8am to 6pm only) http://www.saynoto0870.com/cgi-bin/f...num=1229787187 == quote New Oyster Helpline! (TfL) Reply #10 - Dec 28th, 2009, 9:05am Hi there! I was trying to get through to the Oyster helpline the other day and found out that the number provided here (020-7227-7891 - a non-geographical alternative [...]) now just redirects to a message telling me to "please put down the handset and call 08453309876". [...] == end quote -- Mike D |
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On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:42:06 -0800 (PST)
PhilD wrote: On Jan 8, 9:51=A0am, wrote: Is that supposed to be a coherent post? Are you on drugs? Totally coherent. Obviously you have a different definition of the word to the OED. By the way, why not complain that the buses weren't running? Or the taxis (or that they are too expensive/slow)? Or the boats? Or that the roads are clogged? Or that your feet don't go fast enough? Why Err , because I was talking about the tube? Is this too complicated for you? single out one particular mode for complaint when it's at least as bad for others? The delays weren't due to snow on the line. They were due to some sort of failure in the ATO system. It happens all the bloody time spring , summer, autumn and winter and no doubt LU have weather related excuses for all the seasons ready on standby. Are you new here btw? [regards cycling] I'm obviously going to do it on 2 wheels on a bloody bike and freeze to d= eath in the process arn't I? No. But you could do like many and cycle *without* freezing to death. Wrap up warm, like I do. It's perfectly safe if you are sensible and take your time. All this week I was first to work, beating *all* my motorised colleagues by cycling. Even when our outdoor thermometer said -8.8 degrees. I wasn't particularly cold. I'd just love to see a sanctamonious muesli muncher like you tackle the route I drive on your little bicycle. 13 miles of some steep hills and the north circular. I've yet to see someone riding a bike on the A406 , perhaps because even cycletards have some basic self preservation instincts left. As for taking my time , I have more important things to do than spending 2 hours each way cycling along back streets - namely a job and a social life. B2003 |
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:45:37 -0000, wrote:
I'd just love to see a sanctamonious muesli muncher like you tackle the route I drive on your little bicycle. 13 miles of some steep hills and the north circular. I've yet to see someone riding a bike on the A406 , perhaps because even cycletards have some basic self preservation instincts left. Nope, it'll because they use a more direct route not available to planet raping cagers such as your good self. Hi Boltar. No, I'm not new here. :p -- Fig |
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Paul Corfield wrote: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:45:37 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: I'd just love to see a sanctamonious muesli muncher like you tackle the route I drive on your little bicycle. Do you take extra "acid tablets" to pep up the bile in your insults or does it just come naturally? ;-) Surely insulting cyclists is something that _always_ comes naturally. After all, most of them are irritating annoying little ****s who deserve to be insulted as much as possible. |
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wrote: On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:42:06 -0800 (PST) PhilD wrote: On Jan 8, 9:51=A0am, wrote: Is that supposed to be a coherent post? Are you on drugs? Totally coherent. Obviously you have a different definition of the word to the OED. By the way, why not complain that the buses weren't running? Or the taxis (or that they are too expensive/slow)? Or the boats? Or that the roads are clogged? Or that your feet don't go fast enough? Why Err , because I was talking about the tube? Is this too complicated for you? Well, of course it is! He's a cyclist. Cyclists have serious comprehension problems, everyone knows that. I'm surprised you didn't remember that, Boltar. You're normally the one voice of sanity and common sense amongst this newsgroup. A sign says "Public footpath," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." A sign says "No cycling," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." A sign says "Cycling prohibited," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." A sign says "Cyclists must dismout," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." et. etc. A sign says "Cycle lane," and the cyclists will just ignore it because there's no just fun cycling where they can't annoy us pedestrians. |
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"solar penguin" wrote in message ... A sign says "Public footpath," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." A sign says "No cycling," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." A sign says "Cycling prohibited," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." A sign says "Cyclists must dismout," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." et. etc. A sign says "Cycle lane," and the cyclists will just ignore it because there's no just fun cycling where they can't annoy us pedestrians. You forgot: A red traffic light means : cyclists go now! Paul |
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Paulg0 wrote: "solar penguin" wrote in message ... A sign says "Public footpath," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." A sign says "No cycling," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." A sign says "Cycling prohibited," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." A sign says "Cyclists must dismout," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." et. etc. A sign says "Cycle lane," and the cyclists will just ignore it because there's no just fun cycling where they can't annoy us pedestrians. You forgot: A red traffic light means : cyclists go now! True, but since we pedestrians think a red man at a pelican crossing means "Run across the road as soon as you can," it would be hypocritical of me to complain about that... ;) |
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"solar penguin" wrote in message
... Paul Corfield wrote: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:45:37 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: I'd just love to see a sanctamonious muesli muncher like you tackle the route I drive on your little bicycle. Do you take extra "acid tablets" to pep up the bile in your insults or does it just come naturally? ;-) Surely insulting cyclists is something that _always_ comes naturally. After all, most of them are irritating annoying little ****s who deserve to be insulted as much as possible. Insult them? Nah. I just try to knock the ****ers off their bike by turning left without looking... but I know damn well that they are there!!! |
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On 11 Jan, 01:25, "Stephen O'Connell" wrote:
"solar penguin" wrote in message ... Paul Corfield wrote: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:45:37 +0000 (UTC), wrote: I'd just love to see a sanctamonious muesli muncher like you tackle the route I drive on your little bicycle. Do you take extra "acid tablets" to pep up the bile in your insults or does it just come naturally? *;-) Surely insulting cyclists is something that _always_ comes naturally. After all, most of them are irritating annoying little ****s who deserve to be insulted as much as possible. Insult them? Nah. I just try to knock the ****ers off their bike by turning left without looking... but I know damn well that they are there!!! I think I must have met you. Don't you worry that while killing someone you might scratch your car? |
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:51:46 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:45:37 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: The delays weren't due to snow on the line. They were due to some sort of failure in the ATO system. It happens all the bloody time spring , summer, autumn and winter and no doubt LU have weather related excuses for all the seasons ready on standby. There was a broken rail. These do not happen "all the time" nor are excuses "on standby" even though you won't accept a word I say about it. Well I'm jusgt going by the excuse that LU themselves gave which was signal failure which on the central line means ATO issues. Are you telling me they were lying? I'd just love to see a sanctamonious muesli muncher like you tackle the route I drive on your little bicycle. Do you take extra "acid tablets" to pep up the bile in your insults or does it just come naturally? ;-) Oh , purely natural, nothing artificial :) B2003 |
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:15:16 -0000
Fig wrote: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:45:37 -0000, wrote: I'd just love to see a sanctamonious muesli muncher like you tackle the route I drive on your little bicycle. 13 miles of some steep hills and the north circular. I've yet to see someone riding a bike on the A406 , perhaps because even cycletards have some basic self preservation instincts left. Nope, it'll because they use a more direct route not available to planet raping cagers such as your good self. Take a look at the route from arnos grove to north ealing on a map dumb****. The A406 is the most direct route. Its virtually a straight line. As for planet raping - go look up the amount of energy it takes to grow the food you use up when cycling. Its a damn site less efficient than refining oil. Oh , and FWIW my cage is nice and toasty warm in the winter even in just a shirt. And I can drink my coffee and listen to the radio all in comfort. But you enjoy your cold wet slow ball crusher mode of transport. No doubt someone envies you, but its not me! B2003 |
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:14:32 -0800 (PST)
solar penguin wrote: Well, of course it is! He's a cyclist. Cyclists have serious comprehension problems, everyone knows that. I'm surprised you didn't remember that, Boltar. You're normally the one voice of sanity and common sense amongst this newsgroup. Sorry , you're right. I must try harder in future :) A sign says "Public footpath," cyclists think it means "Cycle lane." Too bloody true. B2003 |
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"solar penguin" wrote in message
... Surely insulting cyclists is something that _always_ comes naturally. After all, most of them are irritating annoying little ****s who deserve to be insulted as much as possible. *applause* Ian |
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d wrote: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:45:37 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: There was a broken rail. These do not happen "all the time" nor are excuses "on standby" even though you won't accept a word I say about it. Well I'm jusgt going by the excuse that LU themselves gave which was signal failure which on the central line means ATO issues. Are you telling me they were lying? The fault probably presented itself initially as a signal that wouldn't wouldn't clear, as a broken rail means a track circuit failure. The distiction between 'signal failure', 'points failure', and 'broken rail' is usually pretty acadmeic to customers anyway: what they care about is 'when is the next train?'. Getting that correct is much more important that the root cause analysis - and as someone stuck on the Central that day, I don't think they got that part wrong at all. -- Please help Imogen May keep talking - www.imogenmay.com |
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"MIG" wrote in message
... On 11 Jan, 01:25, "Stephen O'Connell" wrote: "solar penguin" wrote Surely insulting cyclists is something that _always_ comes naturally. After all, most of them are irritating annoying little ****s who deserve to be insulted as much as possible. Insult them? Nah. I just try to knock the ****ers off their bike by turning left without looking... but I know damn well that they are there!!! I think I must have met you. Don't you worry that while killing someone you might scratch your car? Have you seen my car? You would be just as likely to fall over the bits falling off it than scratch it! |
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