On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 08:07:49PM +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, David Cantrell wrote:
and then get home afterwards, paying the cash penalty fare for doing so.
You what? If you don't have a non-cash way of getting home, why *would*
you return the card?

So there we have it - people aren't expected to claim back their
deposits.

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On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 10:59:12AM +0000, d wrote:
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:48:22 +0000
David Hansen wrote:
However, because of the power this involves they must be very
carefully controlled to keep abuses to a minimum. That is missing at
the moment, as demonstrated by many examples I have given.
I think the main problem is the bylaws councils can make up on a whim and
then have the legal right to enforce.

Nope. They have to be approved by central government before coming into
force.

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On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 08:07:49PM +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, David Cantrell wrote:
and then get home afterwards, paying the cash penalty fare for doing
so.
You what? If you don't have a non-cash way of getting home, why *would*
you return the card?

So there we have it - people aren't expected to claim back their
deposits.

You seem to be disregarding the point that the person most likely to cash in
an Oyster card is someone who is travelling home to a destination away from
London (ie the zonal area), so will be using a different ticket type...

Paul S

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:40:36 +0000, Graeme
wrote:

So no practical use for a tourist, are strippenkarts still valid on the
trams?

They were still valid in central Amsterdam last month for trams &
buses - I think you may have to have the OV card for metro (didn't use
it).

I noticed they are pushing something even worse than the OV card for
tourists - the IAmsterdam card. 38EUR for 24 hours + 10EUR per 24h
after that. Offers 'free' entry to popular museums & galleries and a
'public transport card'. Given that most museums are around 12.50 to
get in and a 15-Strippenkart is 7.60[1], that's not great value unless
you are a "it's Tuesday so it must be Amsterdam" kind of tourist that
visits everything possible in one or two days.

[1] and can be shared if there is more than one person

On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, David Cantrell wrote:

On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 08:07:49PM +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, David Cantrell wrote:
and then get home afterwards, paying the cash penalty fare for doing so.
You what? If you don't have a non-cash way of getting home, why *would*
you return the card?

So there we have it - people aren't expected to claim back their
deposits.

For the great majority of people, no, you're right, absolutely not. But
that doesn't stop the deposit being a deposit, and it doesn't stop there
being ample opportunities to claim it back.

tom

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On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:13:20 +0000, Ivor The Engine
wrote:

I noticed they are pushing something even worse than the OV card for
tourists - the IAmsterdam card.

That's been around for a while in various forms, and is indeed poor
value unless you use its other components heavily.

Amsterdam is a very compact city, though, and it can be argued that
unless you're staying outside the city or it's ****ing down, the only
public transport you're likely to *need* is from Schiphol to Centraal
and back.

Neil

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I don't need examples. I need to know that you are making a valid point.
Unfortunately, when challenged on specific points you often melt away
into the background. Looks like you're doing so again.
My pole tax is broken down into components, so that I can see how much
goes where. Why is it that despite no drop in the collection of
rubbish cost, I now only have a twice monthly collection and I have to
do my own recycling, it's just another con. Oh and did you see that
programme on what chief councillors are paying themselves? More than
£150,000. in many cases, why don't hey come and sort out my rubbish for
that sort of take from the public purse?
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Same response if you enter a valid 10-digit phone number, as in 01nnn
nnnnn. We still have them round here, despite what some computer
programmers think...
I have frequently been refused onto a sight and redirected to correct my
phone number as it's only 10 digits in total. Normally after about two
tries I give up, If the software is so sloppy then their service is
likely too be the same.
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Neil Williams wrote on Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:28:17 +0000:

Amsterdam is a very compact city, though, and it can be argued that
unless you're staying outside the city or it's ****ing down, the only
public transport you're likely to *need* is from Schiphol to Centraal
and back.

Not even then if you've taken your bike with you

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Clive wrote:

My pole tax is broken down into components, so that I can see how much
goes where.

Gosh. You must really employ a lot of plumbers.

Why is it that despite no drop in the collection of rubbish cost, I
now only have a twice monthly collection and I have to do my own
recycling, it's just another con.

You seem to have asked parts of several different questions there,
without ever getting to the end of any of them, and instead given up
with the idea of the question before the end of the sentence. Are you
actually trying to find something out? If so, what?

Oh and did you see that programme on what chief councillors are paying
themselves?

No, I saw the other one.

More than £150,000. in many cases, why don't hey come and sort out my
rubbish for that sort of take from the public purse?

I think I can understand that question. I suspect the reason that
Council Chief Executives don't come and sort your rubbish for you is
that if they did, your "pole tax" would have to be a lot higher.

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