teacup
 

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Feb 25, 11:25*am, wrote:

In article ,
(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

[snip]

Colin: I understand the DDA is a best efforts business. There was a
minor loss of wheelchair access westbound with the introduction of
the teacup - slower timetabled journeys. The serious limitation that
Paddington is only accessible clockwise continues. Paddington's
access is not on the Dec 2009 Step-free Tube guide. The tube map
doesn't show one way access.

My grouse, as a passenger without mobility impairment, is that there
is no information at platform 4 on the first train to High Street
Kensington. About a month ago, I arrived on 4 to find trains waiting
at 2 and 3. A platform CSA (admittedly from an SST - peripatetic
staff to deal with local shortages) had no information and did not
volunteer to find any. Help points are not provided. I took the
lazy decision which turned out to be sub-optimal. ;)

The lack of information at Edgware Road also sounds like a serious
deterioration too. I don't think I've ever met a helpful member of
platform staff there either.

Hold on, if it was never any good, how can it be a serious
deterioration. I demand rhetoric with at least some logic underpinning
it ;-)

Colin: I believe my eastbound Circle line train had come via High
Street Kensington and, so, arrived on the advertised platform. A
decision to allow it to continue eastbound was taken to minimised
customer delay. I think it a pity that LU publishes so little on
the web about disruption.

Wouldn't help many people on the move. They need it on the platforms!

All: I am afraid I failed to note the URL for reliability
statistics, which was recently given in utl. Aggregation of Circle
and Hammersmith & City may reflect operational reality, but provides
a poor measurement for customers. I recall the aggregation achieving
about 90% before the service revision, where all other lines achieve
95%+. 93% would be good!

I'm not mobility-impaired either but I do sometimes have luggage and
other impedimenta. Luckily the granddaughter gets older and more able
to walk herself over the footbridge as time goes by.

And they say the new service is an improvement! Edgware Road sounds
worse than ever, especially for information. *Why* can they still not
show which is the first train for High St in this day and age?

Because the signalling system isn't from this day and age.

Just because Edgware Road might be a bit messy that doesn't invalidate
the notion that the service has improved. Well, maybe it does to you.

It does to the quite large proportion of Circle /H&C/WImbleware pax who
want to "turn the top left corner".

To me, the idea that the Circle line might actually work means I might
start to acknowledge its existence.

The old PIS at Edgware Road was immensely better with indicators on all
platforms of the next trains from all platforms. When they "improved"
things (and removed some historic baggage like the ability to show Verney
Junction as a destination) they made things a lot worse, so it can't just
be the signalling.

Why didn't they at least do something more that new fixed signs to improve
the passenger information systems there before messing with the Circle?
They are positively misleading at times of disruption.

The Earl's Court PIS is not even from my late father's age but it's better
than at Edgware Road with more complexity in some respects (but not
reversing trains, I concede).

--
Colin Rosenstiel

teacup
 

On Feb 26, 2:39 pm, wrote:

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
22:40:02 on Thu, 25 Feb 2010, Richard J.
remarked:

[snip]

That's a different argument. What journey are you considering now?

Same one - St Pancras to Wimbledon (via GR or otherwise).

As Mizter.T says, that might be quite a bit faster if you ticket allows
it, without luggage and other mobility considerations. Victoria & Bakerloo
to Waterloo might even be faster still. Depends or what time you allow
yourself for the interchanges and to find a train at Waterloo. That's
where the journey planner might have its limitations.

Nah, all trains between Waterloo and Wimbledon stop at Vauxhall, so
Vic line to Vauxhall and SWT onwards will always be quicker - KXSP to
Vauxhall is 13 minutes, whilst KXSP to Waterloo is 14-16 minutes (via
Oxford Circus and the easy change onto the Bakerloo).

teacup
 

On 26 Feb, 14:39, wrote:
In article
,





(Mizter T) wrote:
On Feb 25, 11:25 am, wrote:

In article ,
(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

[snip]

Colin: I understand the DDA is a best efforts business. There was a
minor loss of wheelchair access westbound with the introduction of
the teacup - slower timetabled journeys. The serious limitation that
Paddington is only accessible clockwise continues. Paddington's
access is not on the Dec 2009 Step-free Tube guide. The tube map
doesn't show one way access.

My grouse, as a passenger without mobility impairment, is that there
is no information at platform 4 on the first train to High Street
Kensington. About a month ago, I arrived on 4 to find trains waiting
at 2 and 3. A platform CSA (admittedly from an SST - peripatetic
staff to deal with local shortages) had no information and did not
volunteer to find any. Help points are not provided. I took the
lazy decision which turned out to be sub-optimal. ;)

The lack of information at Edgware Road also sounds like a serious
deterioration too. I don't think I've ever met a helpful member of
platform staff there either.

Hold on, if it was never any good, how can it be a serious
deterioration. I demand rhetoric with at least some logic underpinning
it ;-)

Colin: I believe my eastbound Circle line train had come via High
Street Kensington and, so, arrived on the advertised platform. A
decision to allow it to continue eastbound was taken to minimised
customer delay. I think it a pity that LU publishes so little on
the web about disruption.

Wouldn't help many people on the move. They need it on the platforms!

All: I am afraid I failed to note the URL for reliability
statistics, which was recently given in utl. Aggregation of Circle
and Hammersmith & City may reflect operational reality, but provides
a poor measurement for customers. I recall the aggregation achieving
about 90% before the service revision, where all other lines achieve
95%+. 93% would be good!

I'm not mobility-impaired either but I do sometimes have luggage and
other impedimenta. Luckily the granddaughter gets older and more able
to walk herself over the footbridge as time goes by.

And they say the new service is an improvement! Edgware Road sounds
worse than ever, especially for information. *Why* can they still not
show which is the first train for High St in this day and age?

Because the signalling system isn't from this day and age.

Just because Edgware Road might be a bit messy that doesn't invalidate
the notion that the service has improved. Well, maybe it does to you.

It does to the quite large proportion of Circle /H&C/WImbleware pax who
want to "turn the top left corner".

To me, the idea that the Circle line might actually work means I might
start to acknowledge its existence.

The old PIS at Edgware Road was immensely better with indicators on all
platforms of the next trains from all platforms. When they "improved"
things (and removed some historic baggage like the ability to show Verney
Junction as a destination) they made things a lot worse, so it can't just
be the signalling.

Why didn't they at least do something more that new fixed signs to improve
the passenger information systems there before messing with the Circle?
They are positively misleading at times of disruption.

The Earl's Court PIS is not even from my late father's age but it's better
than at Edgware Road with more complexity in some respects (but not
reversing trains, I concede).

Do the indicators on the Wimble-related parts of the District yet show
any next trains at all before they are actually in sight?

I don't recall them ever doing so.

teacup
 

In message
, at
03:46:57 on Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Mizter T remarked:

Or are you saying there's a 5 minute gap between trains to HSK, which
alternate between Wimbleware and Circle?

Yep.

If I was taking that route, then unless I knew the Wimbleware service
was disrupted, I'd probably just stay put at Edgware Road until a
direct train turned up.

(Disregarding luggage considerations, Vic line to Vauxhall and then
SWT to Wimbledon is the choice route I'd think - plenty of steps at
Vauxhall for all the staircase fans out there!)

Long way to the Victoria Line from the front of St Pancras :(
--
Roland Perry

teacup
 

In message
,
Mizter T writes

If I was taking that route, then unless I knew the Wimbleware service
was disrupted, I'd probably just stay put at Edgware Road until a
direct train turned up.

I can see the attraction of changing elsewhere, though. Edgware Road is
one of the coldest stations I've ever waited on!
--
Paul Terry

teacup
 

In message
, MIG
writes

Do the indicators on the Wimble-related parts of the District yet show
any next trains at all before they are actually in sight?

The live departure boards for Kensington High Street generally show an
astonishing mish-mash. Just looked now and in the anti-clockwise
direction I see:

1. Circle and Hammersmith & City (1 min)
2. Unknown (4 mins) - likely to be a Wimbleware, but it ought to know if
its only 4 minutes away.
3. Circle Line Inner Rail (yep!) (10 mins)

Ex-Wimbledon trains are recognised in the clockwise direction, though.

As I recall, there is not always a direct correlation between the
information on the web and that displayed on the platform, although I've
always assumed (perhaps wrongly) that the information comes from the
same source.
--
Paul Terry

teacup
 

Mizter T wrote

On Feb 26, 2:39 pm, wrote:

Same one - St Pancras to Wimbledon (via GR or otherwise).

As Mizter.T says, that might be quite a bit faster if you ticket
allows
it, without luggage and other mobility considerations. Victoria &
Bakerloo
to Waterloo might even be faster still. Depends or what time you
allow
yourself for the interchanges and to find a train at Waterloo.
That's
where the journey planner might have its limitations.

Nah, all trains between Waterloo and Wimbledon stop at Vauxhall, so
Vic line to Vauxhall and SWT onwards will always be quicker - KXSP to
Vauxhall is 13 minutes, whilst KXSP to Waterloo is 14-16 minutes (via
Oxford Circus and the easy change onto the Bakerloo).

"next train to Wimbledon" at W'loo is a level stroll along the
concourse - do all trains from Vauxhall to Wimbledon leave from the
same platform pair ?

If they don't you presumably hope the PIS is accurate.

--
Mike D

teacup
 

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Feb 26, 2:39 pm, wrote:

As Mizter.T says, that might be quite a bit faster if you ticket
allows it, without luggage and other mobility considerations. Victoria
& Bakerloo to Waterloo might even be faster still. Depends or what
time you allow yourself for the interchanges and to find a train at
Waterloo. That's where the journey planner might have its limitations.

Nah, all trains between Waterloo and Wimbledon stop at Vauxhall, so
Vic line to Vauxhall and SWT onwards will always be quicker - KXSP to
Vauxhall is 13 minutes, whilst KXSP to Waterloo is 14-16 minutes
(via Oxford Circus and the easy change onto the Bakerloo).

Fair enough. I thought some SWT trains to Wimbledon were first stop
Clapham Junction. Wrong line for me.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

teacup
 

In article
,
(MIG) wrote:

On 26 Feb, 14:39, wrote:

Do the indicators on the Wimble-related parts of the District yet show
any next trains at all before they are actually in sight?

I don't recall them ever doing so.

The ones at East Putney (Eastbound) claim to do so.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

teacup
 

wrote in message
...
In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Feb 26, 2:39 pm, wrote:

As Mizter.T says, that might be quite a bit faster if you ticket
allows it, without luggage and other mobility considerations. Victoria
& Bakerloo to Waterloo might even be faster still. Depends or what
time you allow yourself for the interchanges and to find a train at
Waterloo. That's where the journey planner might have its limitations.

Nah, all trains between Waterloo and Wimbledon stop at Vauxhall, so
Vic line to Vauxhall and SWT onwards will always be quicker - KXSP to
Vauxhall is 13 minutes, whilst KXSP to Waterloo is 14-16 minutes
(via Oxford Circus and the easy change onto the Bakerloo).

Fair enough. I thought some SWT trains to Wimbledon were first stop
Clapham Junction. Wrong line for me.

This is relatively new. The Guildford trains used to miss out Vauxhall.
There even used to be some that were Wimbledon first stop

tim