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Mrs. F. and I had to travel from Clapham Junction to Twickenham last night.
She has a Z1-3 monthly Travelcard on her Oyster, along with a few quid of PAYG. Neither of us remembered that you're meant to get a whatever-it's-called (OEP?) to cover her to Twickenham (Z5), but when she put her card on the reader at Twickers it worked fine, deducting the difference from her PAYG balance. The same happened on the way back. Odd? Or has TfL realised that the extension permits are unworkable? Ian -- |
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On 6 Mar, 15:51, "Ian F." wrote:
Mrs. F. and I had to travel from Clapham Junction to Twickenham last night. She has a Z1-3 monthly Travelcard on her Oyster, along with a few quid of PAYG. Neither of us remembered that you're meant to get a whatever-it's-called (OEP?) to cover her to Twickenham (Z5), but when she put her card on the reader at Twickers it worked fine, deducting the difference from her PAYG balance. The same happened on the way back. Odd? Or has TfL realised that the extension permits are unworkable? Ian You don't need an OEP for the correct fare to be deducted. You only need it if gripped on an NR train outside of your zones. Supposedly, this is because you can't otherwise prove that you intend to pay for the extension by touching out at the end. By actually touching out at the end, you supersede any OEP requirement by actually touching out and having the fare deducted. So it's not really odd nor, unfortunately, a sign of OEPs being abandoned. Which isn't to say they won't be. |
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"Paul Cummins" wrote in message group.homeip.net... In article , (Ian F.) wrote: Neither of us remembered that you're meant to get a whatever-it's-called (OEP?) to cover her to Twickenham (Z5), but when she put her card on the reader at Twickers it worked fine, deducting the difference from her PAYG balance. The same happened on the way back. You don't need an OEP to Twickenham - it's within the Oyster area. That makes no sense at all - OEPs are only relevant to travel WITHIN the 'Oyster area' - they certainly have nothing to do with travel outside the zones... Paul S |
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p.homeip.net, Paul Cummins writes You don't need an OEP to Twickenham - it's within the Oyster area. Being within the Oyster area is irrelevant. In fact OEPs have no validity at all outside the Oyster area. You only need an OEP if you have a non PAYG oyster and are travelling outside your validity with it. No. They are needed when travelling on National Rail and using PAYG to go beyond the validity of an Oyster travelcard. As has been pointed out, the correct fare will be charged on touching out, even if there is no OEP, but the user is technically liable for a penalty fare if their Oyster is gripped en route while outside of their zones. -- Paul Terry |
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p.homeip.net, at 11:44:00 on Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Paul Cummins remarked: No. They are needed when travelling on National Rail and using PAYG to go beyond the validity of an Oyster travelcard. That's curious - I use PAYG all the time when I'm Oystering, and have never once been informed that my Oyster is invalid because I don't have an OEP on the way back to St Margarets from Waterloo. And I've been gripped a few times - they just ask me where I'm going. Do you have a Travelcard on your Oyster that's valid to not further than Zone 3 (St Margarets is in Zone 4). The OEP is only required as a form of "permit to travel" (ahead of paying when you exit) for your trip from the relevant Travelcard limit (eg Putney, the furthest Z2 station) to St Margarets. -- Roland Perry |
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On 7 Mar, 12:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message p.homeip.net, at 11:44:00 on Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Paul Cummins remarked: No. They are needed when travelling on National Rail and using PAYG to go beyond the validity of an Oyster travelcard. That's curious - I use PAYG all the time when I'm Oystering, and have never once been informed that my Oyster is invalid because I don't have an OEP on the way back to St Margarets from Waterloo. And I've been gripped a few times - they just ask me where I'm going. Do you have a Travelcard on your Oyster that's valid to not further than Zone 3 (St Margarets is in Zone 4). The OEP is only required as a form of "permit to travel" (ahead of paying when you exit) for your trip from the relevant Travelcard limit (eg Putney, the furthest Z2 station) to St Margarets. -- Roland Perry The total lack of logic with OEPs is demonstrated by the fact that if you are gripped within the zones of your travelcard, there is no more proof that you don't intend to go beyond your zones without touching out than there would be if you were beyond your zones already. Nor outside of the zones altogether. No one with a valid ticket anywhere can prove that they don't intend to travel to Thurso. |
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, at 04:30:25 on Sun, 7 Mar 2010, MIG remarked: On 7 Mar, 12:09, Roland Perry wrote: No. They are needed when travelling on National Rail and using PAYG to go beyond the validity of an Oyster travelcard. That's curious - I use PAYG all the time when I'm Oystering, and have never once been informed that my Oyster is invalid because I don't have an OEP on the way back to St Margarets from Waterloo. And I've been gripped a few times - they just ask me where I'm going. Do you have a Travelcard on your Oyster that's valid to not further than Zone 3 (St Margarets is in Zone 4). The OEP is only required as a form of "permit to travel" (ahead of paying when you exit) for your trip from the relevant Travelcard limit (eg Putney, the furthest Z2 station) to St Margarets. The total lack of logic with OEPs is demonstrated by the fact that if you are gripped within the zones of your travelcard, there is no more proof that you don't intend to go beyond your zones without touching out than there would be if you were beyond your zones already. Nor outside of the zones altogether. No one with a valid ticket anywhere can prove that they don't intend to travel to Thurso. But in my example, you only need the OEP if you are gripped between Putney and St Margarets. I don't agree with the scheme (and the way it's publicised), but in this respect it's no different to having a Season to Putney, and in your pocket a single from Putney to St Margarets, and needing to show different things depending on whether you are gripped before or after Putney. The issue, of course, is people who don't touch out at St Margarets and therefore get a free ride from Putney. It's a real problem, even if OEPs are maybe the wrong solution. -- Roland Perry |
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"Paul Cummins" wrote in message group.homeip.net... In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: Do you have a Travelcard on your Oyster that's valid to not further than Zone 3 (St Margarets is in Zone 4). No, it's purely PAYG - no actual tickets on it at all. That then explains precisiely why the SWT grippers don't mention the lack of OEPs on your journey - they only apply if travelcards are loaded. If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they were extending a travelcard beyond its validity... Paul S |
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p.homeip.net, Paul Cummins writes In article , (Paul Scott) wrote: If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they were extending a travelcard beyond its validity... Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be understood by the reasonable man. It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to understand that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their travelcard zones. Mind you, having said that, TfL have recently reported that only 3% of the people who need an OEP are using them, while many people who don't need an OEP are nevertheless loading them. -- Paul Terry |
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p.homeip.net, at 13:07:00 on Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Paul Cummins remarked: If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they were extending a travelcard beyond its validity... Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be understood by the reasonable man. The system may in fact be the least-worst answer to the problem it's trying to solve - but the way it's been implemented/described/publicised is clearly "not fit for purpose" to coin a phrase. -- Roland Perry |
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Mar 2010, Paul Terry remarked: If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they were extending a travelcard beyond its validity... Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be understood by the reasonable man. It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to understand that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their travelcard zones. Mind you, having said that, TfL have recently reported that only 3% of the people who need an OEP are using them, while many people who don't need an OEP are nevertheless loading them. Indeed. What's required is a better paradigm for loading an OEP on your Oyster-travelcard. For example, machines in Central London at places where people start their journeys to the suburbs marked: "Travelling beyond your Oyster travelcard zones today? Then touch here". -- Roland Perry |
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Paul Terry wrote:
In message p.homeip.net, Paul Cummins writes In article , (Paul Scott) wrote: If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they were extending a travelcard beyond its validity... Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be understood by the reasonable man. It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to understand that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their travelcard zones. But whenever that has been true, it has also been true that you needed a ticket for the whole trip if you didn't have a travelcard at all. That's where the OEP situation is completely novel - you need a whole new ticket *only* if you're doing part of the trip by travelcard, *in addition* to the PAYG credit to actually pay for it! tom -- I KNOW WAHT IM TALKING ABOUT SO LISTAN UP AND LISTEN GOOD BECUASE ITS TIEM TO DROP SOME SCIENTISTS ON YUO!!! -- Jeff K |
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On 7 Mar, 15:31, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Paul Terry wrote: In message p.homeip.net, Paul Cummins writes In article , (Paul Scott) wrote: If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they were extending a travelcard beyond its validity... Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be understood by the reasonable man. It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to understand that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their travelcard zones. But whenever that has been true, it has also been true that you needed a ticket for the whole trip if you didn't have a travelcard at all. That's where the OEP situation is completely novel - you need a whole new ticket *only* if you're doing part of the trip by travelcard, *in addition* to the PAYG credit to actually pay for it! It's argued that the OEP is just like the extension ticket though, in that it's something you have to get before travelling. But the problem is when/where you need to get it. Most extension tickets on NR would be purchased at the NR station where the relevant leg of the journey begins. At that point, you are probably less likely to change your mind about the rest of the day's travel. The thing that mystifies me is how the operators who have deemed OEPs to be necessary don't have the facilities for adding them. If they can't be arsed, why should anyone else be? |
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Paul Terry wrote:
It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to understand that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their travelcard zones. Yes but Oyster has been advertised for (slightly fewer) years as a flexible system where one doesn't need to faff in queues before starting the journey. And if the level of publicity about OEPs at stations served by SWT is similar to National Express ones, how is the layperson going to hear about OEPs? |
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"Ian F." wrote in message
... Mrs. F. and I had to travel from Clapham Junction to Twickenham last night. She has a Z1-3 monthly Travelcard on her Oyster, along with a few quid of PAYG. Just to say thanks for all the responses. I wonder what the likelihood is of being penalised if you are found to not have an OEP when you need one. Depends on the individual gripper, I suppose. Ian |
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In message , Ian F.
writes Just to say thanks for all the responses. I wonder what the likelihood is of being penalised if you are found to not have an OEP when you need one. Depends on the individual gripper, I suppose. According to the London Travelwatch meeting on 18/2/2010 TfL reported that Penalty Fares for a lack of OEP when needed "are not yet being enforced". The same meeting was told that ATOC are monitoring the usage of OEPs "and will decide whether to continue OEPs by June 2010". I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they are abandoned, given that only 3% of passengers are using them correctly. -- Paul Terry |
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On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:33:47PM +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
Indeed. What's required is a better paradigm for loading an OEP on your Oyster-travelcard. For example, machines in Central London at places where people start their journeys to the suburbs marked: "Travelling beyond your Oyster travelcard zones today? Then touch here". And, of course, vice versa for those who live in, say, zone 4, work in zone 2, and so have a 2-4 travelcard, but occasionally travel into zone 1. -- David Cantrell | A machine for turning tea into grumpiness Planckton: n, the smallest possible living thing |
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on Mon, 8 Mar 2010, David Cantrell remarked: What's required is a better paradigm for loading an OEP on your Oyster-travelcard. For example, machines in Central London at places where people start their journeys to the suburbs marked: "Travelling beyond your Oyster travelcard zones today? Then touch here". And, of course, vice versa for those who live in, say, zone 4, work in zone 2, and so have a 2-4 travelcard, but occasionally travel into zone 1. You could put them everywhere, but it needs starting somewhere - best to choose places where the effect will be the greatest. -- Roland Perry |
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Tim Roll-Pickering wrote
And if the level of publicity about OEPs at stations served by SWT is similar to National Express ones, how is the layperson going to hear about OEPs? Every SWT station got the "Oyster PAYG on NR" leaflet on its rack which has OEP information (just like the LU leaflet with the same title). -- Mike D |
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"Paul Terry" wrote in message ... In message , Ian F. writes Just to say thanks for all the responses. I wonder what the likelihood is of being penalised if you are found to not have an OEP when you need one. Depends on the individual gripper, I suppose. According to the London Travelwatch meeting on 18/2/2010 TfL reported that Penalty Fares for a lack of OEP when needed "are not yet being enforced". The same meeting was told that ATOC are monitoring the usage of OEPs "and will decide whether to continue OEPs by June 2010". I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they are abandoned, given that only 3% of passengers are using them correctly. Surely, if the above is true then we can help with the "sad but unavoidable demise" of OEPs by encouraging the world + dog (& the dog's vet) to never get or use an OEP! UKTL campaign troop...Hoo! -- Cheers, Steve. Change jealous to sad to reply. |
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Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
And if the level of publicity about OEPs at stations served by SWT is similar to National Express ones, how is the layperson going to hear about OEPs? Every SWT station got the "Oyster PAYG on NR" leaflet on its rack which has OEP information (just like the LU leaflet with the same title). I can't say the leaflets leapt out at me when I was last at Waterloo or Ewell West, to take two extreme cases. And it's all very well being buried in a leaflet but are there any posters up around ticket offices that actually try to grab passengers' attention? |
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On Mar 9, 12:53*am, wrote: (Roland Perry) wrote: Indeed. What's required is a better paradigm for loading an OEP on your Oyster-travelcard. For example, machines in Central London at places where people start their journeys to the suburbs marked: "Travelling beyond your Oyster travelcard zones today? Then touch here".. In the case that started this thread the OP needed to load an OEP at Clapham Junction. He would have to find a ticket stop with few clues while standing at the station. There is actually an Oyster ticket stop aka newsagent in the atrium of the shopping centre/ ticket hall at Clapham Junction station - a comment in a some TfL Board papers said it was the busiest Ticket Stop out there, which isn't surprising given that SWT don't offer any top- up facilities at their ticket windows or ticket machines. That's not to say it isn't absurd that TOCs supposedly insist on this OEP requirement and then don't provide any facilities themselves for obtaining one. Anyhow as I've already said I wouldn't get too fussed about the whole OEP thing - I'd only bother with it if OEPs are actually available from the ticket machines or ticket office at the starting station (e.g. Southern TVMs offer them). Not sure if, arriving at London Bridge mainline station, I'd bother to traipse all the way down to the Underground station just to obtain an OEP because they're no available in the mainline station. |
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Tim Roll-Pickering wrote
Michael R N Dolbear wrote: And if the level of publicity about OEPs at stations served by SWT is similar to National Express ones, how is the layperson going to hear about OEPs? Every SWT station got the "Oyster PAYG on NR" leaflet on its rack which has OEP information (just like the LU leaflet with the same title). I can't say the leaflets leapt out at me when I was last at Waterloo or Ewell West, to take two extreme cases. And it's all very well being buried in a leaflet but are there any posters up around ticket offices that actually try to grab passengers' attention? Given the publicity about the extension of PAYG, looking for a leaflet or at a website seems a reasonable thing for a "layperson" to do. At Waterloo the racks are in the middle of the concourse, next to the racks with pocket timetables for all SWT and Waterloo East services. I also noted them at Walton-on-Thames and Barnes Bridge in the racks that hold the leaflets for Network and other railcards. Posters are currently being used for publicity for the Super Off-Peak evening restrictions that were also introduced in January. It would be difficult to conduct two at once and reasonable to stick to leaflets except possibly at Richmond and Wimbledon. Does TfL have a postal address for every Oyster TC of 1 month or more ? Posting a leaflet to all that are not zone 1-6 or more would work. -- Mike D |
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On Mar 9, 6:21*pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote: Tim Roll-Pickering wrote Michael R N Dolbear wrote: And if the level of publicity about OEPs at stations served by SWT is similar to National Express ones, how is the layperson going to hear about OEPs? Every SWT station got the "Oyster PAYG on NR" leaflet on its rack which has OEP information (just like the LU leaflet with the same title). I can't say the leaflets leapt out at me when I was last at Waterloo or Ewell West, to take two extreme cases. And it's all very well being buried in a leaflet but are there any posters up around ticket offices that actually try to grab passengers' attention? Given the publicity about the extension of PAYG, looking for a leaflet or at a website seems a reasonable thing for a "layperson" to do. Hmm... a layperson is going to think 'great - I can *finally* use Oyster PAYG on NR, so now combining a Travelcard and PAYG will be nice and easy just like it is on the Tube'. At Waterloo the racks are in the middle of the concourse, next to the racks with pocket timetables for all SWT and Waterloo East services. I also noted them at Walton-on-Thames and Barnes Bridge in the racks that hold the leaflets for Network and other railcards. Posters are currently being used for publicity for the Super Off-Peak evening restrictions that were also introduced in January. It would be difficult to conduct two at once and reasonable to stick to leaflets except possibly at Richmond and Wimbledon. But why are these posters being given such prominence at stations within the London zones - the evening restrictions irrelevant to any pax setting out on their outbound journey at those stations (e.g. there's no Super Off-Peak fares or Travelcards for journeys from London stations into Waterloo, because all rail fares in London are uniform across all TOCs). Indeed I wonder why the yellow stickers with information about Super Off-Peak evening restrictions have been stuck to SWT TVMs at places like Vauxhall when they don't have any relevance - is it just to add to the general confusion over fares?! FWIW I think some of Southern's posters promoting Oyster PAYG attempt to explain the OEP situation, but I'll try and remember to check. Does TfL have a postal address for every Oyster TC of 1 month or more ? Posting a leaflet to all that are not zone 1-6 or more would work. TfL aren't exactly all that keen on the whole OEP arrangement though! They went along with it because it what needed to be done in order to finally get the TOCs on board for PAYG on NR. |
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Mizter T wrote:
But why are these posters being given such prominence at stations within the London zones - the evening restrictions irrelevant to any pax setting out on their outbound journey at those stations (e.g. there's no Super Off-Peak fares or Travelcards for journeys from London stations into Waterloo, because all rail fares in London are uniform across all TOCs). Indeed I wonder why the yellow stickers with information about Super Off-Peak evening restrictions have been stuck to SWT TVMs at places like Vauxhall when they don't have any relevance - is it just to add to the general confusion over fares?! AFAICT Vauxhall should be expected to have posters up, because the restrictions are relevant to people returning FROM Vauxhall TO 'a station outside the zones', ie Vauxhall as the London Terminal. If you look at the restrictions from the point of view of a passenger from stations outside the zonal area [where SOP tickets are actually sold], you would expect to see posters at Waterloo - Clapham Jn inclusive, because they are the only stations which have the return restriction according to the publicity - Earlsfield and Wansworth Town onwards are supposed to be OK after all. But the Yellow sticker itself is superfluous within the zones.as you cannot buy SWT SOPs there... Paul S |
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On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 06:21:43PM +0000, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
Given the publicity about the extension of PAYG, looking for a leaflet or at a website seems a reasonable thing for a "layperson" to do. On the contrary, given the publicity about the extension of PAYG, a layperson could reasonably expect it to Just Work. If he's familiar with how PAYG works on the Tube, then he wouldn't expect to have to learn all kinds of extra crazy rules for the trains. There are posters up about OEPs at Thornton Heath, but I only know because I know to look for them from hearing about the silly things here. At a quick glance, they look indistinguishable from the posters that Southern normally put up when they tell lies about how sorry they are that their trains are late, and consequently I would expect no-one to read them. -- David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice I don't do .INI, .BAT, or .SYS files. I don't assign apps to files. I don't configure peripherals or networks before using them. I have a computer to do all that. I have a Macintosh, not a hobby. -- Fritz Anderson |
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David Cantrell wrote:
On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:33:47PM +0000, Roland Perry wrote: Indeed. What's required is a better paradigm for loading an OEP on your Oyster-travelcard. For example, machines in Central London at places where people start their journeys to the suburbs marked: "Travelling beyond your Oyster travelcard zones today? Then touch here". And, of course, vice versa for those who live in, say, zone 4, work in zone 2, and so have a 2-4 travelcard, but occasionally travel into zone 1. These people have it even worse though, since at many stations round here* you can't get an OEP but have to search out a newsagent or similar. I'd love to see that one stand up in court if they get gripped between Z2 and Z1 and fined. Tom * SWT, the Oyster-hating people, natch |
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Cantrell writes On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 06:21:43PM +0000, Michael R N Dolbear wrote: Given the publicity about the extension of PAYG, looking for a leaflet or at a website seems a reasonable thing for a "layperson" to do. On the contrary, given the publicity about the extension of PAYG, a layperson could reasonably expect it to Just Work. If he's familiar with how PAYG works on the Tube, then he wouldn't expect to have to learn all kinds of extra crazy rules for the trains. The average layperson seems to have learnt the difference between tubes and buses - you have to touch out on the former, but not on the latter. I'm not defending OEPs - they are a ridiculous idea - but I do object to the suggestion that the average person is incapable of learning something new. -- Paul Terry |
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Paul Scott wrote
Indeed I wonder why the yellow stickers with information about Super Off-Peak evening restrictions have been stuck to SWT TVMs at places like Vauxhall when they don't have any relevance - is it just to add to the general confusion over fares?! AFAICT Vauxhall should be expected to have posters up, because the restrictions are relevant to people returning FROM Vauxhall TO 'a station outside the zones', ie Vauxhall as the London Terminal. If you look at the restrictions from the point of view of a passenger from stations outside the zonal area [where SOP tickets are actually sold], you would expect to see posters at Waterloo - Clapham Jn inclusive, because they are the only stations which have the return restriction according to the publicity - Earlsfield and Wansworth Town onwards are supposed to be OK after all. But the Yellow sticker itself is superfluous within the zones.as you cannot buy SWT SOPs there... So a off-peak from Vauxhall to Woking has no evening-peak restrictions ? Also you could buy a SOP on the internet and pick it up at a Vauxhall or other in-zone machine. -- Mike D |
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"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message news:01cac098$1671d000$LocalHost@default... Paul Scott wrote AFAICT Vauxhall should be expected to have posters up, because the restrictions are relevant to people returning FROM Vauxhall TO 'a station outside the zones', ie Vauxhall as the London Terminal. If you look at the restrictions from the point of view of a passenger from stations outside the zonal area [where SOP tickets are actually sold], you would expect to see posters at Waterloo - Clapham Jn inclusive, because they are the only stations which have the return restriction according to the publicity - Earlsfield and Wansworth Town onwards are supposed to be OK after all. So a off-peak from Vauxhall to Woking has no evening-peak restrictions ? ???? Offpeak tickets have no afternoon restrictions on SWT. But we were discussing Super Off Peak tickets in particular - they DO have restrictions from Vauxhall, covered by 'Waterloo - Clapham Jn inclusive', as stated above. Incidentally they are are also restricted from Victoria. Paul S |
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On Mar 10, 11:46 pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote: Paul Scott wrote Indeed I wonder why the yellow stickers with information about Super Off-Peak evening restrictions have been stuck to SWT TVMs at places like Vauxhall when they don't have any relevance - is it just to add to the general confusion over fares?! AFAICT Vauxhall should be expected to have posters up, because the restrictions are relevant to people returning FROM Vauxhall TO 'a station outside the zones', ie Vauxhall as the London Terminal. If you look at the restrictions from the point of view of a passenger from stations outside the zonal area [where SOP tickets are actually sold], you would expect to see posters at Waterloo - Clapham Jn inclusive, because they are the only stations which have the return restriction according to the publicity - Earlsfield and Wansworth Town onwards are supposed to be OK after all. But the Yellow sticker itself is superfluous within the zones.as you cannot buy SWT SOPs there... So a off-peak from Vauxhall to Woking has no evening-peak restrictions ? Eh? No SWT Off-Peak ticket has any evening peak restrictions. Only SWT *Super* Off-Peak tickets have evening peak restrictions. Also you could buy a SOP on the internet and pick it up at a Vauxhall or other in-zone machine. No need - differential fares are charged depending on whether one is heading into or out of London - in other words, it's cheaper to buy a ticket starting *from* London than one going *to* London. Example... * From Bournemouth to London Terminals: SOP Day Single - 41.10 OP Day Single - n/a Anytime Day Single - 43.70 ~ SOP Day Return - 41.20 OP Day Return - 46.20 OP (period) Return - 46.30 Anytime Day Return - 84.20 Anytime (period) Return - 87.40 * From London Terminals to Bournemouth: SOP Day Single - n/a OP Day Single - 41.60 Anytime Day Single - 43.70 ~ SOP Day Return - n/a OP Day Return - 41.70 OP (period) Return - 46.30 Anytime Day Return - 45.80 Anytime (period) Return - 87.40 The OP Day Return fare *from* London (at £41.70) is therefore just 50p more than the SOP Day Return fare *to* London (at £41.20). Off-peak fares from London stations are available on all departures after 9:30am. |
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Paul Terry wrote:
The average layperson seems to have learnt the difference between tubes and buses - you have to touch out on the former, but not on the latter. I'm not defending OEPs - they are a ridiculous idea - but I do object to the suggestion that the average person is incapable of learning something new. Yes but it depends how much research is needed. I cannot recall seeing anything on National Express about OEPs and the posters about Oystyer at my local station are just the "you can use it on us now" type - precisely the opposite of "there are different rules" to learn. Remember also that PAYG was always available on Liverpool Street to Stratford (amongst other routes) and you didn't need OEPs then so it's not just "different from the tube" but "different from how it's worked on the same train". Is the average layperson expected to trawl the web every week to see if the rules have changed? |
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In message , Tim Roll-Pickering
writes Yes but it depends how much research is needed. I cannot recall seeing anything on National Express about OEPs and the posters about Oystyer at my local station are just the "you can use it on us now" type - precisely the opposite of "there are different rules" to learn. By the same reasoning, you could argue that people will touch in at Liverpool Street and expect to touch out at Norwich. Just saying that you can use Oyster on the NE Remember also that PAYG was always available on Liverpool Street to Stratford (amongst other routes) and you didn't need OEPs then Nor do you now if all you are using is PAYG. If, on the other hand, you were using a travelcard, you needed an extension ticket to travel beyond your zones. Is the average layperson expected to trawl the web every week to see if the rules have changed? Now you're being silly. PAYG was extended to National Rail at the start of January. Nothing has changed since then. -- Paul Terry |
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