On Apr 4, 1:11*pm, Bruce wrote:
The Evergreen 3 project investment has been approved by DfT Rail, but
that in no way negates the need to follow the normal planning process.

For info, I believe the application under discussion can be found on
London Borough of Hillingdon's planning webpage by searching for
planning application reference 66712/APP/2010/103
http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=10058
Its location is Northolt Junction Civic Way Ruislip and it proposes
"Track and junction improvements involving widening the existing up
line embankment for 1.2km; stabilising the existing embankment; laying
a second track South of existing up main line; provision of new
junctions; replacing the existing single track bridge over Civic Way
with a double track bridge; infilling redundant under bridge and
ancillary works."
Documents including a planning statement and plans are included with
the application.
Cross-posted to uk.transport.london.
Kind regards, Dominic

On 4 Apr, 17:09, Dominic wrote:
On Apr 4, 1:11*pm, Bruce wrote:

The Evergreen 3 project investment has been approved by DfT Rail, but
that in no way negates the need to follow the normal planning process.

For info, I believe the application under discussion can be found on
London Borough of Hillingdon's planning webpage by searching for
planning application reference 66712/APP/2010/103http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=10058
Its location is Northolt Junction Civic Way Ruislip and it proposes
"Track and junction improvements involving widening the existing up
line embankment for 1.2km; stabilising the existing embankment; laying
a second track South of existing up main line; provision of new
junctions; replacing the existing single track bridge over Civic Way
with a double track bridge; infilling redundant under bridge and
ancillary works."
Documents including a planning statement and plans are included with
the application.
Cross-posted to uk.transport.london.
Kind regards, Dominic

Thanks for the link - some interesting documents:

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/..._103/010_1.pdf


http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/..._103/010_1.pdf

"Dominic" wrote

For info, I believe the application under discussion can be found on
London Borough of Hillingdon's planning webpage by searching for
planning application reference 66712/APP/2010/103
http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=10058
Its location is Northolt Junction Civic Way Ruislip and it proposes
"Track and junction improvements involving widening the existing up
line embankment for 1.2km; stabilising the existing embankment; laying
a second track South of existing up main line; provision of new
junctions; replacing the existing single track bridge over Civic Way
with a double track bridge; infilling redundant under bridge and
ancillary works."
Documents including a planning statement and plans are included with
the application.

Traditionally such work would have been authorised by a Private Act of
Parliament. This procedure has been superseded by the Transport and Works
Act, but is still a slow process, more appropriate for more major work, such
as the Thameslink Project. Local authority planning permission should be
much quicker. One piece of railway which was authorised by local authority
planning permission was the Penmanshiel diversion following the tunnel
collapse.

Peter
Cross-posted to uk.transport.london.
Kind regards, Dominic

On 4 Apr, 18:06, Chafford wrote:
On 4 Apr, 17:09, Dominic wrote:





On Apr 4, 1:11*pm, Bruce wrote:

The Evergreen 3 project investment has been approved by DfT Rail, but
that in no way negates the need to follow the normal planning process..

For info, I believe the application under discussion can be found on
London Borough of Hillingdon's planning webpage by searching for
planning application reference 66712/APP/2010/103http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=10058
Its location is Northolt Junction Civic Way Ruislip and it proposes
"Track and junction improvements involving widening the existing up
line embankment for 1.2km; stabilising the existing embankment; laying
a second track South of existing up main line; provision of new
junctions; replacing the existing single track bridge over Civic Way
with a double track bridge; infilling redundant under bridge and
ancillary works."
Documents including a planning statement and plans are included with
the application.
Cross-posted to uk.transport.london.
Kind regards, Dominic

Thanks for the link - some interesting documents:

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/...PP_2010_103/01...

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/...PP_2010_103/01...

Non technical summary is he

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/..._103/016_3.pdf

On 4 Apr, 18:25, Chafford wrote:
On 4 Apr, 18:06, Chafford wrote:





On 4 Apr, 17:09, Dominic wrote:

On Apr 4, 1:11*pm, Bruce wrote:

The Evergreen 3 project investment has been approved by DfT Rail, but
that in no way negates the need to follow the normal planning process.

For info, I believe the application under discussion can be found on
London Borough of Hillingdon's planning webpage by searching for
planning application reference 66712/APP/2010/103http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=10058
Its location is Northolt Junction Civic Way Ruislip and it proposes
"Track and junction improvements involving widening the existing up
line embankment for 1.2km; stabilising the existing embankment; laying
a second track South of existing up main line; provision of new
junctions; replacing the existing single track bridge over Civic Way
with a double track bridge; infilling redundant under bridge and
ancillary works."
Documents including a planning statement and plans are included with
the application.
Cross-posted to uk.transport.london.
Kind regards, Dominic

Thanks for the link - some interesting documents:

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/...PP_2010_103/01...

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/...PP_2010_103/01...

Non technical summary is he

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/...PP_2010_103/01...

Page 5 of the attached provides diagrams of the current and proposed
layouts:

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/..._103/016_4.pdf

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:47:51 +0100, Chafford wrote:
On 4 Apr, 17:09, Dominic wrote:
On Apr 4, 1:11*pm, Bruce wrote:
The Evergreen 3 project investment has been approved by DfT Rail,
but
that in no way negates the need to follow the normal planning
process.
For info, I believe the application under discussion can be found on
London Borough of Hillingdon's planning webpage by searching for
planning application reference
66712/APP/2010/103http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=10058
Its location is Northolt Junction Civic Way Ruislip and it proposes
"Track and junction improvements involving widening the existing up
line embankment for 1.2km; stabilising the existing embankment;
laying
a second track South of existing up main line; provision of new
junctions; replacing the existing single track bridge over Civic Way
with a double track bridge; infilling redundant under bridge and
ancillary works."
Documents including a planning statement and plans are included with
the application.

Page 5 of the attached provides diagrams of the current and proposed
layouts:

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/..._103/016_4.pdf

This states that HS2 will not go through Northolt Junction.

But it is planned for the almost disused line that heads straight from Old
Oak to Northolt Junction, and under which the dive-under dives.

So where does HS2 deviate if it really doesn't go to Northolt Junction?


Colin McKenzie


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Page 5 of the attached provides diagrams of the current and proposed
layouts:

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/..._103/016_4.pdf

This states that HS2 will not go through Northolt Junction.

It doesn't. It says that high-speed trains will not run on the Chiltern
route.

But it is planned for the almost disused line that heads straight from Old
Oak to Northolt Junction, and under which the dive-under dives.

Well, if it happens, and if it happens on that route - no doubt somebody
will think about what to do. But let's not blight Evergreen 3 with any talk
of HS2.

Regards

Jonathan

On 4 Apr, 20:23, "Jonathan Morton"
wrote:
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Page 5 of the attached provides diagrams of the current and proposed
layouts:

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/...PP_2010_103/01...

This states that HS2 will not go through Northolt Junction.

It doesn't. It says that high-speed trains will not run on the Chiltern
route.

But it is planned for the almost disused line that heads straight from Old
Oak to Northolt Junction, and under which the dive-under dives.

Well, if it happens, and if it happens on that route - no doubt somebody
will think about what to do. But let's not blight Evergreen 3 with any talk
of HS2.

Regards

Jonathan

Certainly the current HS2 mapping doesn't take account of Chiltern's
existing three lines at West Ruislip and the proposed three lines at
South Ruislip. However it makes it clear that the exact route through
Northolt / Ruislip needs further development and that HS2 will take
into account Chiltern's Evergreen 3 aspirations.

On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:09:31 -0700 (PDT), Dominic
wrote:

On Apr 4, 1:11*pm, Bruce wrote:
The Evergreen 3 project investment has been approved by DfT Rail, but
that in no way negates the need to follow the normal planning process.

For info, I believe the application under discussion can be found on
London Borough of Hillingdon's planning webpage by searching for
planning application reference 66712/APP/2010/103
http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=10058
Its location is Northolt Junction Civic Way Ruislip and it proposes
"Track and junction improvements involving widening the existing up
line embankment for 1.2km; stabilising the existing embankment; laying
a second track South of existing up main line; provision of new
junctions; replacing the existing single track bridge over Civic Way
with a double track bridge; infilling redundant under bridge and
ancillary works."
Documents including a planning statement and plans are included with
the application.
Cross-posted to uk.transport.london.
Kind regards, Dominic


Thanks Dominic. Much appreciated.

On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 13:14:40 -0700 (PDT), Chafford
wrote:

Certainly the current HS2 mapping doesn't take account of Chiltern's
existing three lines at West Ruislip and the proposed three lines at
South Ruislip. However it makes it clear that the exact route through
Northolt / Ruislip needs further development and that HS2 will take
into account Chiltern's Evergreen 3 aspirations.


It's so very nice of a non-existent, pie-in-the-sky, unaffordable HS2
to "take into account" the very real Evergreen 3 scheme.

It is HS2 which has the "aspirations", not Chiltern Railways.