wrote

Also when did pre-Thameslink-revival passenger services stop running
over the Farringdon to/from Southern Region section, what services
were latterly provided and by which BR Region(s) - or if pre-BR which
Railway Company(ies) provided the services?

1908. Services had been provided by the Midland, Great Northern, London
Chatham & Dover and South Eastern (the last two came together in the South
Eastern & Chatham Railway Management Committee in 1899 - before then South
Eastern trains were not allowed to call at St Paul's (Blackfriars), Ludgate
Hill or Snow Hill). London and South Western Railway trains ran as far as
Ludgate Hill in passenger service, and continued to Snow Hill sidings to
reverse. SE&CR trains to Moorgate Street via the Snow Hill to Aldersgate
curve continued until April 1916, and trains from the south ran as far as
Snow Hill (by then known as Holborn Viaduct Low Level) until June 1916.

Peter

On 21/06/2010 07:53, Martin Rich wrote:

snip
In the video, I'm intrigued that the Aldersgate (now Barbican) is
referred to as
'Aldersgate and Barbican' - I thought the name 'Barbican' only came into
use
later,

According to David Leboff's book the name became Aldersgate & Barbican
in 1923 and just Barbican in 1968. (The original 1865 name was
Aldersgate Street which became Aldersgate in 1910.)

I notice that the Pentonville Road station was Kings Cross St Pancras in
the video - later it became just Kings Cross (to avoid confusion with
the main LU station?)

"Peter Lawrence" wrote

I notice that the Pentonville Road station was Kings Cross St Pancras in
the video - later it became just Kings Cross (to avoid confusion with the
main LU station?)

Until the 1930s the Met/Circle platforms were alongside the ones used by
Midland and Great Northern trains to Moorgate via the Widened Lines and the
whole station was operated by the Met/LPTB. When the Circle/Met decamped to
their new platforms, the Widened Lines station was still operated by LPTB/LT
and named Kings Cross St Pancras as part of the Underground station. In 1976
the Great Northern trains decamped as part of GN electrics, and started
going to Moorgate via the Northern City line. This left just a handful of
trains to/from the Midland, and the station was renamed Kings Cross LT (so
passengers didn't start looking for these trains at St Pancras). Later the
line was closed for the BedPan electrification, and when it reopened it was
named Kings Cross Midland City (and operated by the LM Region, then Network
SouthEast. It was renamed Kings Cross Thameslink when Thameslink opened.

Peter

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:03:16 +0100, Peter Masson
wrote:
SE&CR trains to Moorgate Street via the Snow Hill to Aldersgate curve
continued until April 1916,

What happened to that curve? I guess it was built on, but sometimes these
things end up as car parks.

Colin McKenzie

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On Jun 24, 8:58*am, "Colin McKenzie" wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:03:16 +0100, Peter Masson
wrote:
SE&CR trains to Moorgate Street via the Snow Hill to Aldersgate curve *
continued until April 1916,

What happened to that curve? I guess it was built on, but sometimes these *
things end up as car parks.

Much of the curve was/is subterranean - I understand that the
underground NCP car park on Snow Hill occupies some of the alignment.
Been intrigued by this and have been intending to investigate for a
while, but I'm not too sure how welcome non parking customers
traipsing around on foot might be (not that such considerations have
put a halt to my explorations before!). Also the car park is closed at
weekends.

In message
,
Mizter T writes

Much of the curve was/is subterranean - I understand that the
underground NCP car park on Snow Hill occupies some of the alignment.

Apart from that very short section, all of the rest (including the
eastern junction) ran through the basement of Smithfield Market, so I
doubt that it is normally accessible to the public.
--
Paul Terry

On Jun 24, 2:58*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 24, 8:58*am, "Colin McKenzie" wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:03:16 +0100, Peter Masson
wrote:
SE&CR trains to Moorgate Street via the Snow Hill to Aldersgate curve *
continued until April 1916,

What happened to that curve? I guess it was built on, but sometimes these *
things end up as car parks.

Much of the curve was/is subterranean - I understand that the
underground NCP car park on Snow Hill occupies some of the alignment.
Been intrigued by this and have been intending to investigate for a
while, but I'm not too sure how welcome non parking customers
traipsing around on foot might be (not that such considerations have
put a halt to my explorations before!). Also the car park is closed at
weekends.

It is too late now, I know, but it would have been great if the trains
that will terminate at Blackfriars could have been routed through to
Moorgate. I guess a four track Thameslink would have been a bit
much! Persuading the, then, DoT to go for re-opening Snow Hill tunnel
at all was a big achievement.

On Jun 24, 6:20*pm, E27002 wrote:

On Jun 24, 2:58*am, Mizter T wrote:

On Jun 24, 8:58*am, "Colin McKenzie" wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:03:16 +0100, Peter Masson
wrote:
SE&CR trains to Moorgate Street via the Snow Hill to Aldersgate
curve continued until April 1916,

What happened to that curve? I guess it was built on, but sometimes
these things end up as car parks.

Much of the curve was/is subterranean - I understand that the
underground NCP car park on Snow Hill occupies some of the alignment.
Been intrigued by this and have been intending to investigate for a
while, but I'm not too sure how welcome non parking customers
traipsing around on foot might be (not that such considerations have
put a halt to my explorations before!). Also the car park is closed at
weekends.

It is too late now, I know, but it would have been great if the trains
that will terminate at Blackfriars could have been routed through to
Moorgate. *I guess a four track Thameslink would have been a bit
much! *Persuading the, then, DoT to go for re-opening Snow Hill tunnel
at all was a big achievement.

It was back in BR days, so I don't think it would have needed quite
the same ministerial stamp of approval as would be required today, if
indeed it needed ministerial approval at all (at least for a more
modest project such as re-opening the Snow Hill tunnel). I think the
people to convince back then were more the BR Board.

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...


It was back in BR days, so I don't think it would have needed quite
the same ministerial stamp of approval as would be required today, if
indeed it needed ministerial approval at all (at least for a more
modest project such as re-opening the Snow Hill tunnel). I think the
people to convince back then were more the BR Board.

Found on Google:

http://www.semgonline.com/RlyMag/ChathamConMoorgate.pdf

Only had a quick glance, but ought to help with the history. Seems the
'Smithfield Curve' closure was in 1927, and most evidence was probably
obliterated in the 1960s rebuild of the Poultry Market?

Paul S