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Cirlce Line Reverts to Circle / New Metropolitan Stock
Crossrail work closes section of Circle line for three weeks
Ross Lydall 25.06.10 http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...three-weeks.do Passengers on the Circle line face more upheaval in the summer during a three-week part-closure. Building work at Paddington station for Crossrail means Hammersmith and City platforms will be closed for safety reasons. Hammersmith and City and Circle line services, [the latter of which] which were extended to Hammersmith in December, will be suspended between Hammersmith and Edgware Road from July 24 to August 15. This will return the Circle line, which carries 218,000 passengers on weekdays, back to its old layout of a full circle, clockwise and counter-clockwise, rather than the "lasso line" that saw trains terminate at Edgware Road. Hammersmith and City services will operate only between Edgware Road and Whitechapel rather than to Barking. Rail replacement services will operate between Hammersmith and Edgware Road. The [separate] Piccadilly [and District] line[s] will still serve Hammersmith. The Crossrail works at Paddington involve removing a disused taxi ramp and canopy above the Hammersmith and City platforms. It is not safe to carry out the work while trains run below. TfL says it will take advantage of the closure to carry out essential upgrades that would otherwise have required weekend closures. The work includes platform lengthening to accommodate new air- conditioned trains. They are in service on the East London line and London Overground, and will start running on the Metropolitan line in weeks. ========= Does this last mean the new ELL cattle trains are coming to all Met. and H&C lines? Being longer will they fit at all stations? Its easy enough to lengthen Paddington H&C platforms, but what about the underground stations like Edgeware Road etc? And what about lengthening the stations between Hammersmith and Paddington H&C.? ========= |
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On 26 June, 09:51, CJB wrote:
Crossrail work closes section of Circle line for three weeks Ross Lydall 25.06.10 http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-crossrail-wor... Passengers on the Circle line face more upheaval in the summer during a three-week part-closure. Building work at Paddington station for Crossrail means Hammersmith and City platforms will be closed for safety reasons. Hammersmith and City and Circle line services, [the latter of which] which were extended to Hammersmith in December, will be suspended between Hammersmith and Edgware Road from July 24 to August 15. This will return the Circle line, which carries 218,000 passengers on weekdays, back to its old layout of a full circle, clockwise and counter-clockwise, rather than the "lasso line" that saw trains terminate at Edgware Road. Hammersmith and City services will operate only between Edgware Road and Whitechapel rather than to Barking. Rail replacement services will operate between Hammersmith and Edgware Road. The [separate] Piccadilly [and District] line[s] will still serve Hammersmith. The Crossrail works at Paddington involve removing a disused taxi ramp and canopy above the Hammersmith and City platforms. It is not safe to carry out the work while trains run below. TfL says it will take advantage of the closure to carry out essential upgrades that would otherwise have required weekend closures. The work includes platform lengthening to accommodate new air- conditioned trains. They are in service on the East London line and London Overground, and will start running on the Metropolitan line in weeks. ========= Does this last mean the new ELL cattle trains are coming to all Met. and H&C lines? Being longer will they fit at all stations? Its easy enough to lengthen Paddington H&C platforms, but what about the underground stations like Edgeware Road etc? And what about lengthening the stations between Hammersmith and Paddington H&C.? ========= If it isn't complete nonsense, I'll eat my dinner. They have merged two snippets into one I expect. |
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Cirlce Line Reverts to Circle / New Metropolitan Stock
On 26 June, 10:09, MIG wrote:
If it isn't complete nonsense, I'll eat my dinner. They have merged two snippets into one I expect. Indeed complete nonsense! H&C / Met / District / Circle line stock will be replaced with S stock, starting from later this year - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S_Stock |
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Cirlce Line Reverts to Circle / New Metropolitan Stock
On 26/06/2010 10:22, jon b wrote:
On 26 June, 10:09, wrote: If it isn't complete nonsense, I'll eat my dinner. They have merged two snippets into one I expect. Indeed complete nonsense! H&C / Met / District / Circle line stock will be replaced with S stock, starting from later this year - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S_Stock AIUI, they will first start to operate on the Met later this year. H&C, District and Circle lines will only seem them in about 2013 and in a somewhat modified form. I wonder if they will be as difficult to find later this as the '09 stock on the Victoria Line. |
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Cirlce Line Reverts to Circle / New Metropolitan Stock
On Jun 26, 10:22*am, jon b wrote: On 26 June, 10:09, MIG wrote: If it isn't complete nonsense, I'll eat my dinner. They have merged two snippets into one I expect. Indeed complete nonsense! *H&C / Met / District / Circle line stock will be replaced with S stock, starting from later this year - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S_Stock It's just confusion between the new class 378s (as used by London Overground on the NLL, WLL and ELL) and the upcoming LU S-stock - there are a fair number of similarities, though ultimately they're rather different trains. |
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On Jun 26, 4:38*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 26, 10:22*am, jon b wrote: On 26 June, 10:09, MIG wrote: If it isn't complete nonsense, I'll eat my dinner. They have merged two snippets into one I expect. Indeed complete nonsense! *H&C / Met / District / Circle line stock will be replaced with S stock, starting from later this year - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S_Stock It's just confusion between the new class 378s (as used by London Overground on the NLL, WLL and ELL) and the upcoming LU S-stock - there are a fair number of similarities, though ultimately they're rather different trains. It surprises me that TfL could not come up with a common design for Overground and sub-surface stock. |
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On Jun 26, 6:43*pm, E27002 wrote:
On Jun 26, 4:38*am, Mizter T wrote: On Jun 26, 10:22*am, jon b wrote: On 26 June, 10:09, MIG wrote: If it isn't complete nonsense, I'll eat my dinner. They have merged two snippets into one I expect. Indeed complete nonsense! *H&C / Met / District / Circle line stock will be replaced with S stock, starting from later this year - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S_Stock It's just confusion between the new class 378s (as used by London Overground on the NLL, WLL and ELL) and the upcoming LU S-stock - there are a fair number of similarities, though ultimately they're rather different trains. It surprises me that TfL could not come up with a common design for Overground and sub-surface stock. Why? The infrastructure on which the two types of stock will run is quite different. The LO class 378s need 25kV AC supply as well as DC (for the units on the North London Line) and run on routes which can take 20m coaches. The S stock will be DC only, and parts of the route would struggle to take the longer 20m vehicles seen on the class 378s (the S stock is 16.7m per coach). |
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Cirlce Line Reverts to Circle / New Metropolitan Stock
E27002 wrote:
It surprises me that TfL could not come up with a common design for Overground and sub-surface stock. They could. It would just be inappropriate for the surface routes. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632789.html (25 214 at Lichfield Trent Valley Low Level, Aug 1982) |
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Cirlce Line Reverts to Circle / New Metropolitan Stock
On 26/06/2010 18:43, E27002 wrote:
On Jun 26, 4:38 am, Mizter wrote: On Jun 26, 10:22 am, jon wrote: On 26 June, 10:09, wrote: If it isn't complete nonsense, I'll eat my dinner. They have merged two snippets into one I expect. Indeed complete nonsense! H&C / Met / District / Circle line stock will be replaced with S stock, starting from later this year - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S_Stock It's just confusion between the new class 378s (as used by London Overground on the NLL, WLL and ELL) and the upcoming LU S-stock - there are a fair number of similarities, though ultimately they're rather different trains. It surprises me that TfL could not come up with a common design for Overground and sub-surface stock. They tried that with the 83 stock on the Jubilee line, making it look like the tube version of D stock. |
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Cirlce Line Reverts to Circle / New Metropolitan Stock
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, CJB writes The work includes platform lengthening to accommodate new air- conditioned trains. They are in service on the East London line and London Overground, and will start running on the Metropolitan line in weeks. ========= Does this last mean the new ELL cattle trains are coming to all Met. and H&C lines? Being longer will they fit at all stations? Its easy enough to lengthen Paddington H&C platforms, but what about the underground stations like Edgeware Road etc? And what about lengthening the stations between Hammersmith and Paddington H&C.? Seven-car trains aren't scheduled to start appearing on the H&C until next year. -- Paul Terry |
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