Southern give the full third off with no minimum on some of their fares,
which is why I currently travel to London and back (from Brighton) for £7.85
two or three times/week - that's the current Network Card discounted super
off-peak return fare, routed Not Gatwick Express, with a 15% discount for
buying via the web site.

If you don't believe it why don't you go and look for yourself? - after all
where do you think I got the price I quoted from?

--
DAS

I can confirm that I've seen that happen (Southern website ignoring
the £13 NSE minimum). That was on a order with a mixture of railcards
- I'd just assumed that the system couldn't cope with the different
restrictions.

Jon

"Jon Passenger" wrote in message
...
Southern give the full third off with no minimum on some of their fares,
which is why I currently travel to London and back (from Brighton) for
£7.85
two or three times/week - that's the current Network Card discounted
super
off-peak return fare, routed Not Gatwick Express, with a 15% discount for
buying via the web site.

If you don't believe it why don't you go and look for yourself? - after
all
where do you think I got the price I quoted from?

--
DAS

I can confirm that I've seen that happen (Southern website ignoring
the £13 NSE minimum). That was on a order with a mixture of railcards
- I'd just assumed that the system couldn't cope with the different
restrictions.

It does seem odd - particular now that I've noticed that SN's '25% discount
T&C' doesn't list the Network Card as being eligible:
http://www.southernrailway.com/offer...-off-peak/223/

But the website does appear to allow me a Fareham to Victoria super offpeak
return for £6.95 with NC discount. Bargain...

Paul S

"Jon Passenger" wrote in message
...
Southern give the full third off with no minimum on some of their fares,
which is why I currently travel to London and back (from Brighton) for
£7.85
two or three times/week - that's the current Network Card discounted
super
off-peak return fare, routed Not Gatwick Express, with a 15% discount for
buying via the web site.

If you don't believe it why don't you go and look for yourself? - after
all
where do you think I got the price I quoted from?

--
DAS

I can confirm that I've seen that happen (Southern website ignoring
the £13 NSE minimum). That was on a order with a mixture of railcards
- I'd just assumed that the system couldn't cope with the different
restrictions.

Jon

I'm curious to know what happens when the ticket inspector turns up? Is
he/she allowed to excess someone with a ticket for less than £13?

John

On Aug 10, 12:42*pm, "John C" wrote:

"Jon Passenger" wrote:

Southern give the full third off with no minimum on some of their fares,
which is why I currently travel to London and back (from Brighton) for
£7.85 two or three times/week - that's the current Network Card
discounted super off-peak return fare, routed Not Gatwick Express,
with a 15% discount for buying via the web site.

If you don't believe it why don't you go and look for yourself? - after
all where do you think I got the price I quoted from?

I can confirm that I've seen that happen (Southern website ignoring
the £13 NSE minimum). *That was on a order with a mixture of railcards
- I'd just assumed that the system couldn't cope with the different
restrictions.

I'm curious to know what happens when the ticket inspector turns up? Is
he/she allowed to excess someone with a ticket for less than £13?

Nothing would happen. These tickets are sold from Southern's own site,
after all.

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

I'm curious to know what happens when the ticket inspector turns up?
Is he/she allowed to excess someone with a ticket for less than £13?

Nothing would happen. These tickets are sold from Southern's own site,
after all.

Will that help me on the 09:20 from Cambridge to King's Cross when I have
an Off-Peak (not Day) Return? NXEA tell me it's not valid before 09:30 and
their machines now refuse to sell one before 09:30 (a bit tight for the
09:32) yet FCC's web site happily sells me that ticket for use on the
09:20 (and the 08:54 if I wanted) with TOD at NXEA's machines in Cambridge.

Barry recently confirmed here that it is a condition on the fare since a
year or two back but FCC clearly know nothing about it, despite it being
their fare and their condition.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Aug 10, 4:25*pm, wrote:

(Mizter T) wrote:

I'm curious to know what happens when the ticket inspector turns up?
Is he/she allowed to excess someone with a ticket for less than £13?

Nothing would happen. These tickets are sold from Southern's own site,
after all.

Will that help me on the 09:20 from Cambridge to King's Cross when I have
an Off-Peak (not Day) Return? NXEA tell me it's not valid before 09:30 and
their machines now refuse to sell one before 09:30 (a bit tight for the
09:32) yet FCC's web site happily sells me that ticket for use on the
09:20 (and the 08:54 if I wanted) with TOD at NXEA's machines in Cambridge.

Barry recently confirmed here that it is a condition on the fare since a
year or two back but FCC clearly know nothing about it, despite it being
their fare and their condition.

Appears to be an issue with the Trainline and their misinterpretation
of the rules - the FCC booking engine is 'powered by' the Trainline.
Looking at East Coast's (WebTIS) booking engine, it seems to correctly
interpret the rule, showing the 09:32 as the first train it the OPR
can be used on.

Alas it's not possible to get a reservation for these trains,
otherwise the 'booked train coupon' could be presented to any member
of staff in support of any argument that the ticket holder purchased
it in good faith. Otherwise a passenger could try presenting a print-
out of the journey details from the Trainline booking. Though knowing
what the restriction is and trying to get around it might not be the
best example of something done in good faith!

You could always get in touch with FCC - if the message got to the
right person at FCC they might then get on to the Trainline and get
them to tweak their database.

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Aug 10, 4:25*pm, wrote:

Will that help me on the 09:20 from Cambridge to King's Cross when I
have an Off-Peak (not Day) Return? NXEA tell me it's not valid before
09:30 and their machines now refuse to sell one before 09:30 (a bit
tight for the 09:32) yet FCC's web site happily sells me that ticket
for use on the 09:20 (and the 08:54 if I wanted) with TOD at NXEA's
machines in Cambridge.

Barry recently confirmed here that it is a condition on the fare since
a year or two back but FCC clearly know nothing about it, despite it
being their fare and their condition.

Appears to be an issue with the Trainline and their misinterpretation
of the rules - the FCC booking engine is 'powered by' the Trainline.
Looking at East Coast's (WebTIS) booking engine, it seems to correctly
interpret the rule, showing the 09:32 as the first train it the OPR
can be used on.

Alas it's not possible to get a reservation for these trains,
otherwise the 'booked train coupon' could be presented to any member
of staff in support of any argument that the ticket holder purchased
it in good faith. Otherwise a passenger could try presenting a print-
out of the journey details from the Trainline booking. Though knowing
what the restriction is and trying to get around it might not be the
best example of something done in good faith!

I do have a printout, indeed. But I've never had it queried by anyone from
FCC and NXEA Customer Services even gave me a refund once for the
overcharge.

You could always get in touch with FCC - if the message got to the
right person at FCC they might then get on to the Trainline and get
them to tweak their database.

But I want to be able to use the 09:20, whether or not I'm staying in
London overnight!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message
, at
12:58:49 on Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Mizter T remarked:
Will that help me on the 09:20 from Cambridge to King's Cross when I have
an Off-Peak (not Day) Return? NXEA tell me it's not valid before 09:30 and
their machines now refuse to sell one before 09:30 (a bit tight for the
09:32) yet FCC's web site happily sells me that ticket for use on the
09:20 (and the 08:54 if I wanted) with TOD at NXEA's machines in Cambridge.

Barry recently confirmed here that it is a condition on the fare since a
year or two back but FCC clearly know nothing about it, despite it being
their fare and their condition.

Appears to be an issue with the Trainline and their misinterpretation
of the rules - the FCC booking engine is 'powered by' the Trainline.
Looking at East Coast's (WebTIS) booking engine, it seems to correctly
interpret the rule, showing the 09:32 as the first train it the OPR
can be used on.

5J - 9.30 except Bdeford and Peterborough when it's 9.15

Perhaps this is a case of a missing/obsolete "Cambridge 9.15"?
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message
,
at 12:58:49 on Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Mizter T
remarked:
Will that help me on the 09:20 from Cambridge to King's Cross when I
have an Off-Peak (not Day) Return? NXEA tell me it's not valid before
09:30 andtheir machines now refuse to sell one before 09:30 (a bit
tight for the 09:32) yet FCC's web site happily sells me that ticket
for use on the 09:20 (and the 08:54 if I wanted) with TOD at NXEA's
machines in Cambridge.

Barry recently confirmed here that it is a condition on the fare
since a year or two back but FCC clearly know nothing about it,
despite it being their fare and their condition.

Appears to be an issue with the Trainline and their misinterpretation
of the rules - the FCC booking engine is 'powered by' the Trainline.
Looking at East Coast's (WebTIS) booking engine, it seems to correctly
interpret the rule, showing the 09:32 as the first train it the OPR
can be used on.

5J - 9.30 except Bdeford and Peterborough when it's 9.15

Perhaps this is a case of a missing/obsolete "Cambridge 9.15"?

Except that according to the FCC web site the restriction is the
long-standing "no arrival in London before 10:00". So the 08:54 is OK too.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"John C" wrote in message
...


"Jon Passenger" wrote in message
...
Southern give the full third off with no minimum on some of their fares,
which is why I currently travel to London and back (from Brighton) for
£7.85
two or three times/week - that's the current Network Card discounted
super
off-peak return fare, routed Not Gatwick Express, with a 15% discount
for
buying via the web site.

If you don't believe it why don't you go and look for yourself? - after
all
where do you think I got the price I quoted from?

--
DAS

I can confirm that I've seen that happen (Southern website ignoring
the £13 NSE minimum). That was on a order with a mixture of railcards
- I'd just assumed that the system couldn't cope with the different
restrictions.

Jon

I'm curious to know what happens when the ticket inspector turns up? Is
he/she allowed to excess someone with a ticket for less than £13?

In the past I've had a Southeastern ticket machine, and a Southeastern
ticket office, both failing to apply the GBP 13 (or earlier GBP 10) minimum.
I've also had a Southeastern conductor querying a cheaper ticket bought with
a Network Card on a Saturday (when the minimum doesn't apply). He didn't
press the point when I asserted that I was correct and he was not, and a
subsequent email to Southeastern elicited a response that indicated that
that conductor would receive advice/extra training.

Peter