In article iCQao.133886$ss1.17974@hurricane, (Robin) wrote:

those needing receipts for the correct amount.

How is a receipt for the amount you topped up better than (or even
as good as) your journey history? You could, for example, top up
by £1.80 and claim that amount based on such a receipt when you had
already reached the daily price cap by using the same Oyster card
for private travel. Or when you did not travel at all.

I don't use the tube enough to reach the daily price cap, and certainly
not when claiming expenses. I thought I would once (not on expense) but
things all went wrong when the passenger I was meeting was diverted.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article iCQao.133886$ss1.17974@hurricane, (Robin)
wrote:

those needing receipts for the correct amount.

How is a receipt for the amount you topped up better than (or even
as good as) your journey history? You could, for example, top up
by £1.80 and claim that amount based on such a receipt when you had
already reached the daily price cap by using the same Oyster card
for private travel. Or when you did not travel at all.

I don't use the tube enough to reach the daily price cap, and
certainly not when claiming expenses. I thought I would once (not on
expense) but things all went wrong when the passenger I was meeting
was diverted.

I do understand and accept that but it doesn't seem to me to make a
receipt for a top-up any better evidence of the cost you incurred.

FWIW this whole issue of proof of expense incurred generated quite a bit
of discussion when travel cards were first introduced. Those who want
the utmost probity - and evidence of probity - on the use of Oyster PAYG
require print-outs from an underground station that clearly indicate
their journey. I emphasise though that is the "Rolls Royce" (or perhaps
better "Councillors' expenses"?) option. Much depends on who wants (or
may want) to see your receipts. And in many organisations would not
require claims to be supported by a receipt if, say, the use of the
Oyster card was part of a longer, receipted trip.

--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com

In message , at 12:45:14 on Wed, 18 Aug
2010, d remarked:
And good luck doing the credit control on all those who default. If you
cut off someone's Oyster card, they just get another one - quite
difficult for your water supply.

So you make it a condition that anyone who applies needs to prove their
name, address and credit worthyness before they're allowed to have this type
of account.

Which leaves you with a minority of cardholders, probably.

Also FWIW water supplies can no longer be cut off completely.

Exactly. No such protection needs to be factored into the cost of Oyster
cards.
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010, MIG wrote:

On 18 Aug, 12:38, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 04:58:30
on Wed, 18 Aug 2010, remarked:

I object to having to lend TfL money for trips I may not make until 6
months hence.

So buy paper tickets.

I also object to the blanket application of a policy, even
to low users and those needing receipts for the correct amount.

And I object to the higher fares resulting from people who want the
bulk-discount benefits, but aren't prepared to toe the line.

I object to the higher cash fares resulting from organisations that want
to coerce me into lending them money in advance for a "discount" (ie
what used to be the normal fare).

In that case, do feel free to grab your spade and set up a rival service,
run to your own specifications!

tom

--
I really don't know what any of this **** means, but it looks
impressive. -- zerolives, on YVFC

On 18 Aug, 22:08, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010, MIG wrote:
On 18 Aug, 12:38, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 04:58:30
on Wed, 18 Aug 2010, remarked:

I object to having to lend TfL money for trips I may not make until 6
months hence.

So buy paper tickets.

I also object to the blanket application of a policy, even
to low users and those needing receipts for the correct amount.

And I object to the higher fares resulting from people who want the
bulk-discount benefits, but aren't prepared to toe the line.

I object to the higher cash fares resulting from organisations that want
to coerce me into lending them money in advance for a "discount" (ie
what used to be the normal fare).

In that case, do feel free to grab your spade and set up a rival service,
run to your own specifications!

If I had the power to change it myself, I wouldn't need to object to
it, I'd change it.

I am still mystified as to how the logic of claiming that the cash
fares were "standard" and that the PAYG fares were a "discount" didn't
result in an investigation into the 300% fare increases.

In article xlTao.104153$ex1.79902@hurricane, (Robin) wrote:

wrote:
In article iCQao.133886$ss1.17974@hurricane, (Robin)
wrote:

those needing receipts for the correct amount.

How is a receipt for the amount you topped up better than (or even
as good as) your journey history? You could, for example, top up
by £1.80 and claim that amount based on such a receipt when you had
already reached the daily price cap by using the same Oyster card
for private travel. Or when you did not travel at all.

I don't use the tube enough to reach the daily price cap, and
certainly not when claiming expenses. I thought I would once (not on
expense) but things all went wrong when the passenger I was meeting
was diverted.

I do understand and accept that but it doesn't seem to me to make a
receipt for a top-up any better evidence of the cost you incurred.

FWIW this whole issue of proof of expense incurred generated quite
a bit of discussion when travel cards were first introduced. Those
who want the utmost probity - and evidence of probity - on the use
of Oyster PAYG require print-outs from an underground station that
clearly indicate their journey. I emphasise though that is the
"Rolls Royce" (or perhaps better "Councillors' expenses"?) option.
Much depends on who wants (or may want) to see your receipts. And
in many organisations would not require claims to be supported by a
receipt if, say, the use of the Oyster card was part of a longer,
receipted trip.

Not "Councillors' expenses" in my case as it happens, even though I am a
councillor. Those I am claiming from seem to like the PAYG receipts.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Not "Councillors' expenses" in my case as it happens, even though I
am a councillor. Those I am claiming from seem to like the PAYG
receipts.

FTAOD I did not know you were a councillor. My comment was based upon
having looked at the handling of Councillor's expenses generally in what
feels another life and remembering many had strict rules requiring
print-outs for Oyster PAYG. I am not yet sad enough to cyberstalk (I
think).
--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com

In article NQbbo.145738$ss1.34351@hurricane, (Robin) wrote:

Not "Councillors' expenses" in my case as it happens, even though I
am a councillor. Those I am claiming from seem to like the PAYG
receipts.

FTAOD I did not know you were a councillor. My comment was based
upon having looked at the handling of Councillor's expenses
generally in what feels another life and remembering many had
strict rules requiring print-outs for Oyster PAYG. I am not yet
sad enough to cyberstalk (I think).

:-)

--
Colin Rosenstiel