New Civil Engineer reports that the Crossrail project will go ahead
and that the Tube upgrade will not be axed:

"But funding for Crossrail and Tube projects will only be retained if
London mayor Boris Johnson abandons plans to scrap the Western
extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus
and tram fares for 16-17 year olds."

Over to you, mophead! ;-)

On 01/10/10 11:34, Bruce wrote:

"But funding for Crossrail and Tube projects will only be retained if
London mayor Boris Johnson abandons plans to scrap the Western
extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus
and tram fares for 16-17 year olds."

Assuming those really are the only two options for saving the necessary
money, I wonder which would be politically more palatable?

-roy

On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100
Bruce wrote:
extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus
and tram fares for 16-17 year olds."

Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something
special about that particular age group?

B2003

On Oct 1, 11:45*am, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100

Bruce wrote:
extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus
and tram fares for 16-17 year olds."

Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something
special about that particular age group?

B2003

Because most of them aren't working perhaps?????

Nick

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On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100
Bruce wrote:
extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus
and tram fares for 16-17 year olds."

Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there
something special about that particular age group?

Potential new voters in the next election?

On Oct 1, 11:34*am, Bruce wrote:
New Civil Engineer reports that the Crossrail project will go ahead
and that the Tube upgrade will not be axed:

"But funding for Crossrail and Tube projects will only be retained if
London mayor Boris Johnson abandons plans to scrap the Western
extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus
and tram fares for 16-17 year olds."

SoS Hammond won't be dictating specific cuts that the Mayor must make,
regardless of what DfT people may be briefing to the media.

The western extension to the congestion charge is on its way out - I
can't imagine for a moment that there'd be a u-turn on this policy
now, given that its removal is pretty firmly scheduled for the New
Year.

There are two levels of concessionary fares for 16 & 17 year olds -
the basic level is that holders of a 16+ Oyster photocard get half-
rate travel when using PAYG on TfL services (and NR lines that are
part of the TfL fare scale for PAYG), and can buy season Travelcards
and Bus Passes at the child rate. The 16+ Oyster photocard obviously
needs to be applied for (and a £10 admin fee has recently been
introduced for that).

On top of that basic level, 16 & 17 year olds who are (a) residents of
Greater London and (b) in full time education also get free bus and
tram travel included on their 16+ Oyster photocard.

I wonder if the latter concession might be withdrawn leaving the basic
level in place.

Alternatively perhaps other cuts might be made elsewhere.

On Oct 1, 11:45*am, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100
Bruce wrote:
extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus
and tram fares for 16-17 year olds."

Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something
special about that particular age group?

I think they should be charged quadruple and prohibited from sitting
down.

In message , at 10:45:33 on Fri, 1 Oct
2010, d remarked:

extension of the congestion charging zone

An admission that it's just a revenue gathering exercise, after all?

or axes concessionary bus
and tram fares for 16-17 year olds."

Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something
special about that particular age group?

They are soon to be under school leaving age. And the majority will be
students of one kind or another, even if they've left school.
--
Roland Perry

On 1 Oct, 12:09, Mizter T wrote:
On Oct 1, 11:45*am, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100
Bruce wrote:
extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus
and tram fares for 16-17 year olds."

Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something
special about that particular age group?

I think they should be charged quadruple and prohibited from sitting
down.

They should be charged twice the normal fare for every discounted fare
they've paid if they subsequently don't vote.

"Tim Fenton" wrote

Doesn't the NMW only apply to over 18s?

Has applied to 16 and 17 year olds (over school leaving age) since 2004.
Current rate (as from today) for 16 and 17-year-olds is GBP 3.64 ph.
As from today there is also a NMW for apprentices (under 19, or over 19 in
first year of apprenticeship of GBP 2.50 ph

Peter