"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 10:37:20 on Thu,
25 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked:
Amongst a number of points covered in SoS Hammond's announcement this
morning was this one:

---quote---
Today, I can confirm we will fund and deliver the Thameslink programme in
its entirety

Does that include the link-up with the GN line to Cambridge, or was that
air-brushed from the scheme long ago?

Yes it does, but its removal has only been presumed by the more pessimistic
posts here, and IIRC some equally pessimistic rail mag editorials.

This afternoons oral statement adds to what Mizter T posted above:

"I can also confirm today that we will fund and deliver the Thameslink
programme in its entirety, virtually doubling the number of north-south
trains running through central London at peak times. This huge investment
will link Sussex, Kent and Surrey, through central London, with
Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire and Cambridgeshire."

Paul S

On Nov 25, 10:37*am, "Mizter T" wrote:
Amongst a number of points covered in SoS Hammond's announcement this
morning was this one:

---quote---
Today, I can confirm we will fund and deliver the Thameslink programme in
its entirety, virtually doubling the number of north-south trains running
through central London at peak times. But the original programme for the
rebuilding of London Bridge was always ambitious, with substantial risks
around delivery, and operation of existing services, during construction.
To reduce these risks, we have re-profiled the delivery of the programme to
achieve completion in 2018. *This will enable Network Rail to make further
efficiencies to their design and delivery programme.
---/quote---

Source:http://www.dft.gov.uk/press/speeches...ts/hammond2010...

So, it appears as though the whole shebang will go ahead as originally
envisaged, i.e. including Key Output 2 (of which the extensive Bermondsey
dive-unders on the approaches to London Bridge are a part, for instance).

Well thats me twenty quid short, I had a bet going on the GN not
joining up and the stock not being the new generation of fixed
formation 8 / 12 cars. I thought A.T.O. had been officially poo
pooed ?

Richard

"Fat richard" wrote in message
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Well thats me twenty quid short, I had a bet going on the GN not
joining up and the stock not being the new generation of fixed
formation 8 / 12 cars. I thought A.T.O. had been officially poo
pooed ?

Never more than educated speculation I think, based on the presumption many
people seem to have made 6 months ago that 'Conservatives = Guaranteed
Cuts' - so discussion centred on what was likely to give. The flames will
have been fanned because within NR people will have had to prepare options
for downgrades, but they presumably always hoped they wouldn't happen.

When one of the rail mags I get ran a piece on ATO being cancelled a while
back, the very next issue quoted a NR denial. Over the late summer when
posters here were suggesting the new signalling might be downgraded to only
16 tph, I searched and found that a contract had just been let to install
signalling to allow 24 tph.

Paul S

On Nov 25, 10:16*pm, Fat richard wrote:

Today, I can confirm we will fund and deliver the Thameslink programme in
its entirety,

Well thats me twenty quid short, I had a bet going on the GN not
joining up and the stock not being the new generation of fixed
formation 8 / 12 cars. I thought A.T.O. had been officially poo
pooed ?


I was going for no GN link up too ... with that allowing less TPH so
no need for ATO.


mode cynic

Entirety .... ''the Thameslink programme in its entirety'' ....
yes ... now what /does/ that mean ... entirety at what point of
reference ?

At the point TL2000 morphed into TLP ? That can't be as some parts
have since been descoped from TLP eg 12car platforms at Kentish
Town, 25 kV wires to Blackfriars ... and no way was the depot ever
to be at Hornsey back then.

TLP has moved its own goalposts since TL2000.

Is it just possible there is some doublespeak here with ''entirety''
meaning ''what the DfT looked at this time round'' and some of the
rumours (like no ATO) might be facts ?


/ mode cynic

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Nick

In message
, at
15:17:10 on Thu, 25 Nov 2010, D7666 remarked:
Entirety .... ''the Thameslink programme in its entirety'' ....
yes ... now what /does/ that mean ... entirety at what point of
reference ?

At the point TL2000 morphed into TLP ? That can't be as some parts
have since been descoped from TLP eg 12car platforms at Kentish
Town, 25 kV wires to Blackfriars ... and no way was the depot ever
to be at Hornsey back then.

TLP has moved its own goalposts since TL2000.

Is it just possible there is some doublespeak here with ''entirety''
meaning ''what the DfT looked at this time round'' and some of the
rumours (like no ATO) might be facts ?

I tend to agree with you. Wasn't there once a suggestion that to get
24tph you'd have needed island platforms at SPILL, with Bedpan and GN
trains using alternate sides?
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Roland Perry