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It's that time again folks:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/17529.aspx

I'm going to post this as a quasi public service announcement if for
no other reason than having ballsed up the dates of the strike the
last time round I wish to demonstrate that I'm not completely
calendrical-phobic (to coin a particularly dodgy phrase!).

I'm sure there's a business opportunity here for canoeists on the
river or some such - of course if it gets really cold then skate hire
might be the thing.

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On Nov 26, 12:54*am, Mizter T wrote:
It's that time again folks:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/17529.aspx

I'm going to post this as a quasi public service announcement if for
no other reason than having ballsed up the dates of the strike the
last time round I wish to demonstrate that I'm not completely
calendrical-phobic (to coin a particularly dodgy phrase!).

I'm sure there's a business opportunity here for canoeists on the
river or some such - of course if it gets really cold then skate hire
might be the thing.

Sigh - another morning of getting on the N73 at 04:25 again, and with
it being full up by Stamford Hill.

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In article ,
Mizter T wrote:
I'm going to post this as a quasi public service announcement if for
no other reason than having ballsed up the dates of the strike the
last time round I wish to demonstrate that I'm not completely
calendrical-phobic (to coin a particularly dodgy phrase!).

While we're at it, have any further strike dates been announced? -- I
couldn't immediately find any info on the web.

-roy

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In article ,
Mizter T wrote:
It's that time again folks:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/17529.aspx

I'm going to post this as a quasi public service announcement if for
no other reason than having ballsed up the dates of the strike the
last time round I wish to demonstrate that I'm not completely
calendrical-phobic (to coin a particularly dodgy phrase!).

And lest anyone was hoping for a last-minute reprieve:

"Monday Tube strike on after last-ditch talks collapse"

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ks-collapse.do

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2vbmcyk

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Roy Badami wrote:

In article ,
Mizter T wrote:
It's that time again folks:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/17529.aspx

I'm going to post this as a quasi public service announcement if for
no other reason than having ballsed up the dates of the strike the
last time round I wish to demonstrate that I'm not completely
calendrical-phobic (to coin a particularly dodgy phrase!).

And lest anyone was hoping for a last-minute reprieve:

"Monday Tube strike on after last-ditch talks collapse"

Perhaps if they stayed away from ditches, there would be less risk of
collapse.
--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632800.html
(31 112 at Colchester, 25 Apr 1980)

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On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 10:11:42 -0000
"Tim Fenton" wrote:
I'm sure there's a business opportunity here for canoeists on the
river or some such - of course if it gets really cold then skate hire
might be the thing.

Bozza has been on LBC this morning saying that "We're very close to a deal".
But the strike has been confirmed as happening.

They've obviously seen the weather forecast and decided to have a lie in on
monday.

Is this strike about the ticket offices or that new whinge they made up about
LU being mean and nasty to a couple of activist drivers?

B2003

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In article , wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 10:11:42 -0000
Is this strike about the ticket offices [...]

I think so - it's the last date of the originally announced series of
(roughly) monthly strike. Hence my question as to whether any further
dates have been announced, since this dispute is clearly still
ongoing.

Or do they have to have another ballot before they can proceed with
further strikes?

-roy

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On Nov 26, 12:29*pm, Owain wrote:
On Nov 26, 7:45*am, Paul *wrote:

Sigh - another morning of getting on the N73 at 04:25 again, and with
it being full up by Stamford Hill.

At least you're not getting on at Stamford Hill.

Sleeping bag under the desk?

Owain

No, I just sleep when I get to work and leave at lunchtime.

The thing is, in all the previous three tube strikes I have managed to
get home OK...........by tube. Usually the Victoria Line is up and
running by lunchtime. I think that shift change time is about 2pm, so
that the service that is running by late morning usually continues
until just after 2pm. What happens after that depends on who turns up
for the afternoon/evening shift.

I wonder if there will be a strike on April 29 next year???

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On Nov 26, 6:02*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:16:02 GMT, (Roy Badami) wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
I'm going to post this as a quasi public service announcement if for
no other reason than having ballsed up the dates of the strike the
last time round I wish to demonstrate that I'm not completely
calendrical-phobic (to coin a particularly dodgy phrase!).

While we're at it, have any further strike dates been announced? I
couldn't immediately find any info on the web.

There are no further dates - there is a "gap" until the New Year as the
unions decided not to go on strike. Whether out of "goodwill" or the
expectation that the workers wouldn't come out due to the expense of
Christmas looming is not for me to say.

Or else just a bit of breathing space during which they hope TPTB will
capitulate? (Or, more to the point, both sides will reach some sort of
solution.)


The only possible actions relate to localised issues on the Bakerloo and
Northern Lines where RMT are, I believe, going to ballot their members
over alleged victimisation of certain individuals. With no ballot result
there can't be any dates yet. That's from what I read in the Standard
the other day.

The other rumbling issue relates to Boxing Day payments and that
involves ASLEF. *Again no dates and things seem to have gone a little
quiet on that front in terms of newspaper coverage.

To which my first reaction was 'no dates' - well the 26th, Boxing Day,
is a pertinent date - but yes IKWYM, no dates have been announced
w.r.t. a ballot on this issue.

Incidentally concerning something which appears to have been oft-said
already, I don't think for a moment that the unions would call a Tube
strike on The Hallowed Day Of The Royal Wedding - I think my eyes and
ears are likely to go on selective strike that week though!

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On 26/11/2010 00:54, Mizter T wrote:
It's that time again folks:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/17529.aspx

I'm going to post this as a quasi public service announcement if for
no other reason than having ballsed up the dates of the strike the
last time round I wish to demonstrate that I'm not completely
calendrical-phobic (to coin a particularly dodgy phrase!).

I'm sure there's a business opportunity here for canoeists on the
river or some such - of course if it gets really cold then skate hire
might be the thing.

A friend has to travel from Plumstead to Euston on Monday morning; she
has an Apex ticket for the 1007 to Liverpool Lime Street, so does not
want to miss that train.

It seems that she can take a Southeastern train to London Bridge and try
her luck on the Northern Line, or alternatively take a Southeastern
train to Charing Cross and go for the 91 bus. Does anybody have any
suggestions, please, as to the best course, and how much time should she
allow for the connection from London Bridge or Charing Cross to Euston?

--
John Ray

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On Nov 27, 11:44*pm, John Ray
wrote:
On 26/11/2010 00:54, Mizter T wrote:

It's that time again folks:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/17529.aspx

I'm going to post this as a quasi public service announcement if for
no other reason than having ballsed up the dates of the strike the
last time round I wish to demonstrate that I'm not completely
calendrical-phobic (to coin a particularly dodgy phrase!).

I'm sure there's a business opportunity here for canoeists on the
river or some such - of course if it gets really cold then skate hire
might be the thing.

A friend has to travel from Plumstead to Euston on Monday morning; she
has an Apex ticket for the 1007 to Liverpool Lime Street, so does not
want to miss that train.

It seems that she can take a Southeastern train to London Bridge and try
her luck on the Northern Line, or alternatively take a Southeastern
train to Charing Cross and go for the 91 bus. Does anybody have any
suggestions, please, as to the best course, and how much time should she
allow for the connection from London Bridge or Charing Cross to Euston?


For the previous strikes, the central London part of the Northern line
has run. If all else fails, it is only an approximately forty minute
walk from Charing Cross to Euston (straight up the Charing Cross and
Tottenham Court Roads then along the Euston Road). I would certainly
suggest taking taking the train to Charing Cross whatever route is
taken, as this station is much closer to Euston and walking may well
be as quick as taking the bus on a strike day.

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On Nov 27, 11:44*pm, John Ray
wrote:
[snip]
A friend has to travel from Plumstead to Euston on Monday morning; she
has an Apex ticket for the 1007 to Liverpool Lime Street, so does not
want to miss that train.

It seems that she can take a Southeastern train to London Bridge and try
her luck on the Northern Line, or alternatively take a Southeastern
train to Charing Cross and go for the 91 bus. Does anybody have any
suggestions, please, as to the best course, and how much time should she
allow for the connection from London Bridge or Charing Cross to Euston?

It's just over one and a half miles from Charing X to Euston, so
walking isn't an outlandish option - it'd take half hour or so,
dependent on pace - see walkit.com/london (usual caveats about those
with impaired mobility apply). It's what I'd do.

Other bus alternatives are the 59, 68 or 168 from Waterloo to Euston.
The 91 might possibly be advantageous however as it starts at
Trafalgar Square/ Charing Cross, so there could be a better chance of
getting on it, I'm not sure though. The timing isn't great - she'll be
making this trip in the rush hour, and during strikes the buses are in
heavy demand at the London termini stations.

Others will (/may) be better able to advise about what Tube services
might be running, and to what extent, though I don't think anyone inc.
LU really know what will happen until the day, bearing in mind that
the picture can alter at shift change times too - all depends who and
how many staff turn up.

(Can't see that changing to the DLR at Woolwich Arsenal to get into
town would be any help, FWIW.)

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On Nov 28, 1:05*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Nov 27, 11:44*pm, John Ray

wrote:
[snip]
A friend has to travel from Plumstead to Euston on Monday morning; she
has an Apex ticket for the 1007 to Liverpool Lime Street, so does not
want to miss that train.

It seems that she can take a Southeastern train to London Bridge and try
her luck on the Northern Line, or alternatively take a Southeastern
train to Charing Cross and go for the 91 bus. Does anybody have any
suggestions, please, as to the best course, and how much time should she
allow for the connection from London Bridge or Charing Cross to Euston?

It's just over one and a half miles from Charing X to Euston, so
walking isn't an outlandish option - it'd take half hour or so,
dependent on pace - see walkit.com/london (usual caveats about those
with impaired mobility apply). It's what I'd do.

Other bus alternatives are the 59, 68 or 168 from Waterloo to Euston.
The 91 might possibly be advantageous however as it starts at
Trafalgar Square/ Charing Cross, so there could be a better chance of
getting on it, I'm not sure though. The timing isn't great - she'll be
making this trip in the rush hour, and during strikes the buses are in
heavy demand at the London termini stations.

Others will (/may) be better able to advise about what Tube services
might be running, and to what extent, though I don't think anyone inc.
LU really know what will happen until the day, bearing in mind that
the picture can alter at shift change times too - all depends who and
how many staff turn up.

(Can't see that changing to the DLR at Woolwich Arsenal to get into
town would be any help, FWIW.)

I would probably go for walking from Charing Cross too. Barely
fifteen minutes longer than doing it by LU, taking into account
escalator, waiting and travel time on LU. Bear in mind that even when
services ran, some major LU stations were closed for a time. No point
in getting on if you can't get off.

It's a shame that all peak services from Woolwich to Blackheath have
been withdrawn, or I might have suggested changing there for Peckham
Rye and Thameslink to St Pancras.

Depending on where in Plumstead she starts from, maybe in reach of
Welling or somewhere with a direct service to Peckham Rye?

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In message , at 23:44:49
on Sat, 27 Nov 2010, John Ray
remarked:
A friend has to travel from Plumstead to Euston on Monday morning; she
has an Apex ticket for the 1007 to Liverpool Lime Street, so does not
want to miss that train.

It seems that she can take a Southeastern train to London Bridge and
try her luck on the Northern Line, or alternatively take a Southeastern
train to Charing Cross and go for the 91 bus. Does anybody have any
suggestions, please, as to the best course, and how much time should
she allow for the connection from London Bridge or Charing Cross to Euston?

I'd suggest taking Thameslink from London Bridge to St Pancras, then
walking. The exit at St Pancras is on the west side of the station and
there's a back-street route to Euston.
--
Roland Perry

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On Nov 28, 9:37*am, MIG wrote:
On Nov 28, 1:05*am, Mizter T wrote:





On Nov 27, 11:44*pm, John Ray

wrote:
[snip]
A friend has to travel from Plumstead to Euston on Monday morning; she
has an Apex ticket for the 1007 to Liverpool Lime Street, so does not
want to miss that train.

It seems that she can take a Southeastern train to London Bridge and try
her luck on the Northern Line, or alternatively take a Southeastern
train to Charing Cross and go for the 91 bus. Does anybody have any
suggestions, please, as to the best course, and how much time should she
allow for the connection from London Bridge or Charing Cross to Euston?

It's just over one and a half miles from Charing X to Euston, so
walking isn't an outlandish option - it'd take half hour or so,
dependent on pace - see walkit.com/london (usual caveats about those
with impaired mobility apply). It's what I'd do.

Other bus alternatives are the 59, 68 or 168 from Waterloo to Euston.
The 91 might possibly be advantageous however as it starts at
Trafalgar Square/ Charing Cross, so there could be a better chance of
getting on it, I'm not sure though. The timing isn't great - she'll be
making this trip in the rush hour, and during strikes the buses are in
heavy demand at the London termini stations.

Others will (/may) be better able to advise about what Tube services
might be running, and to what extent, though I don't think anyone inc.
LU really know what will happen until the day, bearing in mind that
the picture can alter at shift change times too - all depends who and
how many staff turn up.

(Can't see that changing to the DLR at Woolwich Arsenal to get into
town would be any help, FWIW.)

I would probably go for walking from Charing Cross too. *Barely
fifteen minutes longer than doing it by LU, taking into account
escalator, waiting and travel time on LU. *Bear in mind that even when
services ran, some major LU stations were closed for a time. *No point
in getting on if you can't get off.

It's a shame that all peak services from Woolwich to Blackheath have
been withdrawn, or I might have suggested changing there for Peckham
Rye and Thameslink to St Pancras.

Depending on where in Plumstead she starts from, maybe in reach of
Welling or somewhere with a direct service to Peckham Rye?

Just checked out some options on the latter route. I notice that NRE/
Traintimes don't always give the best connections. This is because
the formula is to get as far as possible before changing, ie to
Denmark Hill, where the connection time means that the St Pancras
train three minutes behind isn't a connection.

However, this ignores the fact that at the previous stop, Peckham Rye,
it's same platform and therefore zero connection time.

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On Nov 28, 10:14*am, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:44:49
on Sat, 27 Nov 2010, John Ray
remarked:

A friend has to travel from Plumstead to Euston on Monday morning; she
has an Apex ticket for the 1007 to Liverpool Lime Street, so does not
want to miss that train.

It seems that she can take a Southeastern train to London Bridge and
try her luck on the Northern Line, or alternatively take a Southeastern
train to Charing Cross and go for the 91 bus. Does anybody have any
suggestions, please, as to the best course, and how much time should
she allow for the connection from London Bridge or Charing Cross to Euston?

I'd suggest taking Thameslink from London Bridge to St Pancras, then
walking. The exit at St Pancras is on the west side of the station and
there's a back-street route to Euston.
--
Roland Perry

The first Thameslink train to do the London Bridge route is due at St
Pancras at 0932 I think, so even if it's on time, that's cutting it
fine for the 1007 from Euston. I wouldn't fancy depending on that.

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On Nov 28, 10:34*am, MIG wrote:

On Nov 28, 10:14*am, Roland Perry wrote:

In message ,
at 23:44:49 on Sat, 27 Nov 2010, John Ray
remarked:

A friend has to travel from Plumstead to Euston on Monday morning; she
has an Apex ticket for the 1007 to Liverpool Lime Street, so does not
want to miss that train.

It seems that she can take a Southeastern train to London Bridge and
try her luck on the Northern Line, or alternatively take a Southeastern
train to Charing Cross and go for the 91 bus. Does anybody have any
suggestions, please, as to the best course, and how much time should
she allow for the connection from London Bridge or Charing Cross to Euston?

I'd suggest taking Thameslink from London Bridge to St Pancras, then
walking. The exit at St Pancras is on the west side of the station and
there's a back-street route to Euston.

The first Thameslink train to do the London Bridge route is due at St
Pancras at 0932 I think, so even if it's on time, that's cutting it
fine for the 1007 from Euston. *I wouldn't fancy depending on that.

And it'd quite possibly be absolutely heaving, with a departure time
at London Bridge of 0909 - the next one (d0946, a1003) would be too
late. I'd steer well clear of it too!

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On Nov 28, 10:10*am, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 17:05:29 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

On Nov 27, 11:44 pm, John Ray
wrote:
[snip]
A friend has to travel from Plumstead to Euston on Monday morning; she
has an Apex ticket for the 1007 to Liverpool Lime Street, so does not
want to miss that train.

It seems that she can take a Southeastern train to London Bridge and try
her luck on the Northern Line, or alternatively take a Southeastern
train to Charing Cross and go for the 91 bus. Does anybody have any
suggestions, please, as to the best course, and how much time should she
allow for the connection from London Bridge or Charing Cross to Euston?

It's just over one and a half miles from Charing X to Euston, so
walking isn't an outlandish option - it'd take half hour or so,
dependent on pace - see walkit.com/london (usual caveats about those
with impaired mobility apply). It's what I'd do.

Other bus alternatives are the 59, 68 or 168 from Waterloo to Euston.
The 91 might possibly be advantageous however as it starts at
Trafalgar Square/ Charing Cross, so there could be a better chance of
getting on it, I'm not sure though. The timing isn't great - she'll be
making this trip in the rush hour, and during strikes the buses are in
heavy demand at the London termini stations.

Others will (/may) be better able to advise about what Tube services
might be running, and to what extent, though I don't think anyone inc.
LU really know what will happen until the day, bearing in mind that
the picture can alter at shift change times too - all depends who and
how many staff turn up.

The Northern Line has tended to run an OK service on strike days but it
will be busy at either Charing Cross, Waterloo or London Bridge. *I am
not sure I would necessarily rely on it.

I basically concur with the advice to head for Charing Cross and then
assess options from there. Walking is certainly viable unless the person
is laden with luggage when it may well be a tedious chore.

Charing Cross walking map here

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...lking-sept2010...

To add to the options I would say that the 24 and 29 from opposite South
Africa House at Trafalgar Square (3-4 mins from the front of Charing
Cross Stn) are an additional option to get as far as Warren Street from
where Euston is eminently walkable. The 29 starts at Trafalgar Square
and is a bendy bus so there is a decent chance of getting on. *The 24 is
busier but nonetheless offers an option too.

Not sure if you friend has an Oyster card but if not they will need to
buy their bus ticket from a machine at the stop before boarding any bus
in the Central area - fare is 2 cash.

Spider map for Charing Cross including bus stop locations here

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...g-sept2010.pdf

Stop F for the 91
Stop C for the 24 and 29.


^^^ That's a link to the CX walking map again (very easily done!) -
here's the bus spider map for CX:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...squad-2048.pdf

Re the bus fare - this got brought up recently on uk.railway - my
reckoning is that *if* a National Rail ticket includes a cross-London
tube transfer (i.e. it features the '+' symbol/ Maltese cross in the
route field) then on a Tube strike day it should be valid for travel
on the buses in order to make the transfer between the relevant London
termini.

However in this case it's entirely dependent on whether or not the
ticket is for travel from Plumstead, in which case cross-London
transfer would be included, or from Euston, in which case it obviously
wouldn't be.

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In message
, at
02:34:55 on Sun, 28 Nov 2010, MIG
remarked:
I'd suggest taking Thameslink from London Bridge to St Pancras, then
walking. The exit at St Pancras is on the west side of the station and
there's a back-street route to Euston.

The first Thameslink train to do the London Bridge route is due at St
Pancras at 0932 I think, so even if it's on time, that's cutting it
fine for the 1007 from Euston. I wouldn't fancy depending on that.

I didn't realise the earliest train was that late in the morning - I'm
sure I've done Gatwick-London Bridge (then change for Waterloo East)
earlier than that.

The walk is half a mile (9 minutes), as the crow flies it's the same as
the entire length of the St Pancras double-shed. http://goo.gl/maps/Nx3i

Looking at it from another angle: if the recommended minimum connection
between SPILL and Euston is 35 minutes or less, if the Thameslink
train's delayed, would they be permitted to travel on the next Liverpool
even with the AP ticket?
--
Roland Perry

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

In message
, at
03:02:09 on Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked:
I'd suggest taking Thameslink from London Bridge to St Pancras, then
walking. The exit at St Pancras is on the west side of the station and
there's a back-street route to Euston.

The first Thameslink train to do the London Bridge route is due at St
Pancras at 0932 I think, so even if it's on time, that's cutting it
fine for the 1007 from Euston. *I wouldn't fancy depending on that.

And it'd quite possibly be absolutely heaving, with a departure time
at London Bridge of 0909

Everything's going to be heaving, but I would expect some people to be
getting off at LB, thus relieving the crowding a little.
--
Roland Perry

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

In message
, at
03:19:48 on Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked:
However in this case it's entirely dependent on whether or not the
ticket is for travel from Plumstead, in which case cross-London
transfer would be included, or from Euston, in which case it obviously
wouldn't be.

Is it an "and connections" ticket, or will they be buying a walk-up on
the day? You might expect (would you get) some flexibility on a strike
day.

Anyway, trying again, using the National Rail planner, and aiming for
SPILL before 9.32, it suggests going via London Bridge and Peckham Rye
(two tickets required - or would a Travelcard cope).

Finally, it's only half a mile walk from Cannon St to City Thameslink
station.
--
Roland Perry

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On Nov 28, 11:50*am, Roland Perry wrote:

In message
,
at 02:34:55 on Sun, 28 Nov 2010, MIG
remarked:

I'd suggest taking Thameslink from London Bridge to St Pancras, then
walking. The exit at St Pancras is on the west side of the station and
there's a back-street route to Euston.

The first Thameslink train to do the London Bridge route is due at St
Pancras at 0932 I think, so even if it's on time, that's cutting it
fine for the 1007 from Euston. *I wouldn't fancy depending on that.

I didn't realise the earliest train was that late in the morning - I'm
sure I've done Gatwick-London Bridge (then change for Waterloo East)
earlier than that.

There are trains earlier in the morning - the last is d0724, a0739 -
the problem is that basically there's no space for Thameslink through
London Bridge during the height of the morning peak (TL trains up from
Brighton are routed through Tulse Hill, Herne Hill, E&C with some
making a stop at one or more of said stations).


The walk is half a mile (9 minutes), as the crow flies it's the same as
the entire length of the St Pancras double-shed. http://goo.gl/maps/Nx3i

Absolutely agreed it's not far at all - I've come off Eurostar and v.
easily made a connection out of Euston (on a separate AP ticket) with
something like 40 mins gap in the past - the issue is (a) if the TL
train is running late, and (b) if it's actually going to be possible
to get on the TL train - I dare say it could be absolutely heaving.


Looking at it from another angle: if the recommended minimum connection
between SPILL and Euston is 35 minutes or less, if the Thameslink
train's delayed, would they be permitted to travel on the next Liverpool
even with the AP ticket?

Regardless of the min connection time issues, TOCs might be being
flexible about such things given the strike, I dunno.

How does one find out about minimum connection times between London
termini? I can't find any mention of it in the National Rail
Timetable, nor on the NRE website.

Also, I dare say the passenger in question may only have a ticket from
Euston to Liverpool, in which case one is into the slightly hazy
territory of whether or not a journey involving multiple tickets still
constitutes one journey as per the NR CoC (and hence connections
should be honoured if the requisite time for transfers is adhered to).

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

On 26/11/10 00:54, Mizter T wrote:
It's that time again folks:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/17529.aspx

I'm going to post this as a quasi public service announcement if for
no other reason than having ballsed up the dates of the strike the
last time round I wish to demonstrate that I'm not completely
calendrical-phobic (to coin a particularly dodgy phrase!).

I'm sure there's a business opportunity here for canoeists on the
river or some such - of course if it gets really cold then skate hire
might be the thing.

Sorry if I've missed this:

does the strike affect the London Overground, specifically Clampham Jnc
to Kensington Olympia?

Ta

--
Tim Watts

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

On 28/11/2010 12:18, Roland Perry wrote:

Finally, it's only half a mile walk from Cannon St to City Thameslink
station.

But if you're trying to get from the (former) Southern region to St
Pancras, then there are two cases:

1. If luggage is an issue, then a half mile walk Cannon Street to City
Thameslink plus another walk from St Pancras to Euston seems to be a bit
problematic, and going to Charing Cross and taking a bus or taxi would
seem to be a better bet.

2. If luggage is not an issue, then walking 1.5 miles from Charing Cross
to Euston would probably be as quick as, if not quicker than, two walks
plus a Thameslink trip.
--
Jeremy Double {real address, include nospam}
Rail and transport photos at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmdoubl...7603834894248/

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

How does one find out about minimum connection times between London
termini? I can't find any mention of it in the National Rail
Timetable, nor on the NRE website.

In the preamble to the NRTT, page 44

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...nformation.pdf

Paul S

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

In message , Paul Corfield
writes

The Northern Line has tended to run an OK service on strike days but it
will be busy at either Charing Cross, Waterloo or London Bridge.

TfL have already announced that Charing Cross tube station will be
closed throughout the whole of Monday. They expect all lines except the
Circle to be running in Zone 1, so changing to the Northern at Waterloo
East might be an option, but the crowds will be horrendous and TfL's
plans could change (even though I agree that past experience suggests
that some sort of service will be maintained on the Northern).

I basically concur with the advice to head for Charing Cross and then
assess options from there.

Me too. If the buses are impossible and walking is not an option,
there's always the option of a taxi - on strike days, it's common for
people in the taxi queue to ask if anyone wants to share a cab to a
major destination such as Euston.

--
Paul Terry

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

On Nov 28, 12:18*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message
,
at 03:19:48 on Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked:

However in this case it's entirely dependent on whether or not the
ticket is for travel from Plumstead, in which case cross-London
transfer would be included, or from Euston, in which case it obviously
wouldn't be.

Is it an "and connections" ticket, or will they be buying a walk-up on
the day? You might expect (would you get) some flexibility on a strike
day.

We don't know - though the way the poster worded it makes me think the
ticket held is for Euston-Liverpool.

(Any 'intercity and connections' ticket for such a journey would
automatically be issued with the '+' cross-London transfer symbol,
even if the cross-London journey was possible via Thameslink.)


Anyway, trying again, using the National Rail planner, and aiming for
SPILL before 9.32, it suggests going via London Bridge and Peckham Rye
(two tickets required - or would a Travelcard cope).

Forcing the journey planner to route via City Thameslink / Farringdon,
right? Anyhow that's really starting to get round the houses! If the
desire was really to travel up on Thameslink, I'd think MIG's
suggestion of heading to Welling or wherever and catching a direct
train to Peckham Rye for a change onto TL would be the way to go.

(Re tickets for the round the houses route - an expensive Anytime aka
peak Travelcard would cope but that'd be unnecessarily excessive -
whilst separate tickets might technically be required, on a strike day
I don't for a moment think there'd be any problem using a Plumstead to
St Pancras ticket like this, likewise with Oyster PAYG - though at 1hr
16min it'd be getting a bit close to the 100 min max journey time for
a journey across 4 zones, but perhaps those time limits might be more
generous on strike days, I dunno.)


Finally, it's only half a mile walk from Cannon St to City Thameslink
station.

It is - though I'd still be a bit wary of relying on Thameslink on a
strike day, esp. during the rush hour, what with commuters rerouteing
- and again it's only a mile and a half from Charing Cross to Euston
(n.b. take a scarf!).

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

On Nov 28, 12:04*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message
, at
03:02:09 on Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked:

I'd suggest taking Thameslink from London Bridge to St Pancras, then
walking. The exit at St Pancras is on the west side of the station and
there's a back-street route to Euston.

The first Thameslink train to do the London Bridge route is due at St
Pancras at 0932 I think, so even if it's on time, that's cutting it
fine for the 1007 from Euston. *I wouldn't fancy depending on that.

And it'd quite possibly be absolutely heaving, with a departure time
at London Bridge of 0909

Everything's going to be heaving, but I would expect some people to be
getting off at LB, thus relieving the crowding a little.

I'd expect more wanting to get on though (seriously - what with re-
routing away from the Northern line - plus it's the first train in
almost two hours going north this way).

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

In message
, at
04:23:38 on Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked:

if it's actually going to be possible
to get on the TL train - I dare say it could be absolutely heaving.

But surely some people will be getting out at LB. Getting on an earlier
train at Peckham Rye (my plan B) would be more difficult I think.

How does one find out about minimum connection times between London
termini? I can't find any mention of it in the National Rail
Timetable, nor on the NRE website.

They are published I believe, hoping someone would jump in...

Thinking laterally, I just tried booking a ticket from London Bridge to
Liverpool, and it uses the 9.32 arrival at St Pancras, plus a Tube to
Euston to catch the 10.07 to Liverpool.

Also, I dare say the passenger in question may only have a ticket from
Euston to Liverpool,

They could have an "and connections" ticket.

in which case one is into the slightly hazy
territory of whether or not a journey involving multiple tickets still
constitutes one journey as per the NR CoC (and hence connections
should be honoured if the requisite time for transfers is adhered to).

This has been discussed many times, but as there *are* rules for whether
you can use two tickets for one journey, and this journey qualifies
under those rules, I'm sure it's regarded as one.
--
Roland Perry

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

In message , at 12:34:40 on
Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Jeremy Double remarked:
On 28/11/2010 12:18, Roland Perry wrote:

Finally, it's only half a mile walk from Cannon St to City Thameslink
station.

But if you're trying to get from the (former) Southern region to St
Pancras, then there are two cases:

1. If luggage is an issue, then a half mile walk Cannon Street to City
Thameslink plus another walk from St Pancras to Euston seems to be a
bit problematic, and going to Charing Cross and taking a bus or taxi
would seem to be a better bet.

But the roads are likely to be jammed.

2. If luggage is not an issue, then walking 1.5 miles from Charing
Cross to Euston would probably be as quick as, if not quicker than, two
walks plus a Thameslink trip.

Jogging would be quickest, but that's not a criterion. I'm suggesting
two half-mile walks on relatively straight-forward and unlikely to be
crowded roads (in particular no major road junctions to cross). Versus a
mile and a half through the busiest part of Central London with many
large junctions and possibilities to get lost (unless you pick the very
busiest roads!) So I'm going for ease and reliability (plus a rest in
the middle).
--
Roland Perry

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

On Nov 28, 12:37*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

How does one find out about minimum connection times between London
termini? I can't find any mention of it in the National Rail
Timetable, nor on the NRE website.

In the preamble to the NRTT, page 44

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...nformation.pdf

Thanks - I should have known that - it's 38 mins from St Pancras to
Euston - just beyond the 35 minute time that would be available, if
everything ran on time.

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

In message , at 12:37:19 on
Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Paul Scott remarked:
How does one find out about minimum connection times between London
termini? I can't find any mention of it in the National Rail
Timetable, nor on the NRE website.

In the preamble to the NRTT, page 44

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%.../Commercial%20
Information.pdf

What a star! Unfortunately it says 38 minutes, which is 4 minutes too
long; on the other hand it's for a tube transfer, and the ticketing
websites are ignoring it because they are offering a 34 minute transfer.

And on the other other hand... they have 30 minutes for St Pancras to
Kings Cross.
--
Roland Perry

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

On Nov 28, 12:58*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
04:23:38 on Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked:

if it's actually going to be possible
to get on the TL train - I dare say it could be absolutely heaving.

But surely some people will be getting out at LB. Getting on an earlier
train at Peckham Rye (my plan B) would be more difficult I think.

It probably wouldn't, because it would be coming from a different
route which won't involve any diversion from LU for its regular
punters in Bromley, Catford etc, unlike getting from London Bridge to
Euston, for which I agree that the Thameslink train might be mobbed.

From Elephant & Castle, the Peckham one might start getting mobbed,
but you'd already be on.


How does one find out about minimum connection times between London
termini? I can't find any mention of it in the National Rail
Timetable, nor on the NRE website.

They are published I believe, hoping someone would jump in...

Thinking laterally, I just tried booking a ticket from London Bridge to
Liverpool, and it uses the 9.32 arrival at St Pancras, plus a Tube to
Euston to catch the 10.07 to Liverpool.

It is a possible route, but I've been at London Bridge so many times
with the Thameslink trains already expected fifteen minutes late.
Being at London Bridge for the 0909 and finding it delayed doesn't
leave much flexibility.



Also, I dare say the passenger in question may only have a ticket from
Euston to Liverpool,

They could have an "and connections" ticket.

in which case one is into the slightly hazy
territory of whether or not a journey involving multiple tickets still
constitutes one journey as per the NR CoC (and hence connections
should be honoured if the requisite time for transfers is adhered to).

This has been discussed many times, but as there *are* rules for whether
you can use two tickets for one journey, and this journey qualifies
under those rules, I'm sure it's regarded as one.
--
Roland Perry

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

On Nov 28, 12:38*pm, Paul Terry wrote:

In message , Paul Corfield
writes

The Northern Line has tended to run an OK service on strike days but it
will be busy at either Charing Cross, Waterloo or London Bridge.

TfL have already announced that Charing Cross tube station will be
closed throughout the whole of Monday. They expect all lines except the
Circle to be running in Zone 1, so changing to the Northern at Waterloo
East might be an option, but the crowds will be horrendous and TfL's
plans could change (even though I agree that past experience suggests
that some sort of service will be maintained on the Northern).

Good point re CX Tube station closure! That info is contained in this
advice document (currently dated 6am 26 Nov):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-28-29-nov.pdf

Worth noting that Embankment station will be open however - though
again crowds will be horrendous there too.


I basically concur with the advice to head for Charing Cross and then
assess options from there.

Me too. If the buses are impossible and walking is not an option,
there's always the option of a taxi - on strike days, it's common for
people in the taxi queue to ask if anyone wants to share a cab to a
major destination such as Euston.

Also, under 'Taxis'...
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/17529.aspx

---quote---
Between 06:30 and 10:30 on Monday 29 November 2010 taxi drivers will
be operating a marshalled taxi service for central London destinations
at five major London rail termini - Waterloo, Liverpool St, King's
Cross, Charing Cross, and Marylebone.
---/quote---

....which might make the prospect of catching a cab in the midst of the
chaos a bit less daunting!

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

In message
, at
05:02:29 on Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked:
How does one find out about minimum connection times between London
termini? I can't find any mention of it in the National Rail
Timetable, nor on the NRE website.

In the preamble to the NRTT, page 44

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...nformation.pdf

Thanks - I should have known that - it's 38 mins from St Pancras to
Euston - just beyond the 35 minute time that would be available, if
everything ran on time.

The actual time is a fiction (firstly it's by tube, secondly we know the
walk is less than 10 minutes, and thirdly the journey planner allows the
connection despite the 4 minute shortcoming).

What I was hoping for was that a potentially missed connection would be
officially "protected" as a result of the recommended time being 34
minutes or less (but it's not).
--
Roland Perry

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

On Nov 28, 1:09*pm, MIG wrote:

On Nov 28, 12:58*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message
, at
04:23:38 on Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked:

if it's actually going to be possible
to get on the TL train - I dare say it could be absolutely heaving.

But surely some people will be getting out at LB. Getting on an earlier
train at Peckham Rye (my plan B) would be more difficult I think.

It probably wouldn't, because it would be coming from a different
route which won't involve any diversion from LU for its regular
punters in Bromley, Catford etc, unlike getting from London Bridge to
Euston, for which I agree that the Thameslink train might be mobbed.

From Elephant & Castle, the Peckham one might start getting mobbed,
but you'd already be on.

Basically agreed - though I'd think some punters who normally head in
on trains to a London termini (London Bridge, Victoria etc) then Tube
it onwards likely divert on to Thameslink, but whilst quite poss
somewhat busier than normal (and they're fairly busy anyway) you'd be
able to get on the train at Peckham Rye (caveat - I can offer no
guarantees!).

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

On Nov 28, 12:28*pm, Tim Watts wrote:

On 26/11/10 00:54, Mizter T wrote:

It's that time again folks:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/17529.aspx

I'm going to post this as a quasi public service announcement if for
no other reason than having ballsed up the dates of the strike the
last time round I wish to demonstrate that I'm not completely
calendrical-phobic (to coin a particularly dodgy phrase!).

I'm sure there's a business opportunity here for canoeists on the
river or some such - of course if it gets really cold then skate hire
might be the thing.

Sorry if I've missed this:

does the strike affect the London Overground, specifically Clapham Jnc
to Kensington Olympia?

No, LO will be running, though will be busier than normal as people
divert away from the Tube network. There may well be delays due to of
slow boarding because of mass of numbers on the LO network. Note that
stations managed by LU where LO calls might be affected.

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

On Nov 28, 1:21*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On Nov 28, 1:09*pm, MIG wrote:





On Nov 28, 12:58*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message
, at
04:23:38 on Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked:

if it's actually going to be possible
to get on the TL train - I dare say it could be absolutely heaving.

But surely some people will be getting out at LB. Getting on an earlier
train at Peckham Rye (my plan B) would be more difficult I think.

It probably wouldn't, because it would be coming from a different
route which won't involve any diversion from LU for its regular
punters in Bromley, Catford etc, unlike getting from London Bridge to
Euston, for which I agree that the Thameslink train might be mobbed.

From Elephant & Castle, the Peckham one might start getting mobbed,
but you'd already be on.

Basically agreed - though I'd think some punters who normally head in
on trains to a London termini (London Bridge, Victoria etc) then Tube
it onwards likely divert on to Thameslink, but whilst quite poss
somewhat busier than normal (and they're fairly busy anyway) you'd be
able to get on the train at Peckham Rye (caveat - I can offer no
guarantees!).

A fair cop. I was indeed thinking of going that way, when I'd more
oftenly go via London Bridge or Victoria.

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

On 28/11/10 13:29, Mizter T wrote:

On Nov 28, 12:28 pm, Tim wrote:

On 26/11/10 00:54, Mizter T wrote:

It's that time again folks:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/17529.aspx

I'm going to post this as a quasi public service announcement if for
no other reason than having ballsed up the dates of the strike the
last time round I wish to demonstrate that I'm not completely
calendrical-phobic (to coin a particularly dodgy phrase!).

I'm sure there's a business opportunity here for canoeists on the
river or some such - of course if it gets really cold then skate hire
might be the thing.

Sorry if I've missed this:

does the strike affect the London Overground, specifically Clapham Jnc
to Kensington Olympia?

No, LO will be running, though will be busier than normal as people
divert away from the Tube network. There may well be delays due to of
slow boarding because of mass of numbers on the LO network. Note that
stations managed by LU where LO calls might be affected.

OK - thanks for that. I can Boris Bike but SWMBO works in Hammersmith so
a slightly tortuous route to Ken Olympia and she can do a 25 min walk...

Either that or a No 9 from CHX to Hammersmith but I saw the scrum there
last strike day - had a contingent of police on duty!

--
Tim Watts

Tube Strike - Sun 28 (evening of) and Mon 29 Nov (all day)
 

In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
OK - thanks for that. I can Boris Bike but SWMBO works in Hammersmith so
a slightly tortuous route to Ken Olympia and she can do a 25 min walk...

I'm curious as to what the demand for Boris Bikes has been like on
strike days?

-roy