On Mar 12, 8:29*pm, solar penguin wrote:
So, we've got rid of one very minor part of the whole ugly zonal fares/
Oyster mess, but the rest of the nightmare is still there...? Forgive
me for not getting to excited!

I'll save my cheering until NR finally bring back cheap offpeak paper
returns for the London area, so that Londoners - unlike everyone else
in the rest of the country - don't have to pay extra for basic
privacy! Why should only Londoners be disadvantaged that way?

Pay cash for an unregistered Oyster card: all the privacy you can eat.
You won't get your money back when you lose it, but then you won't get
a paper return and a wallet full of cash back when you lose those,
either (I'm assuming you don't carry credit cards - JOOI, do you also
refuse to carry fiat money and only use gold sovereigns...?)

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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john b wrote:
On Mar 12, 8:29*pm, solar penguin wrote:
either (I'm assuming you don't carry credit cards - JOOI, do you also
refuse to carry fiat money and only use gold sovereigns...?)

A gold sovereign (1837 or later) is legal tender to the value of one
pound. So not enough to pay for any tube journey.

-roy

On Mar 12, 10:09*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
The only opportunity to influence events is now in terms of you creating
a huge campaign that one of the Mayoral candidates decides is worth
taking hold of and using in their campaign. I'm sure Ken and Lembit will
be delighted to hear from you! *Might be a bit hard for Boris to
backtrack given all the push he gave (and credit he has taken) for
getting Oyster on to the NR network in London.

Might be a *teensy* bit tough to get Ken on board as well, I reckon.

So Lembit it is. Solar Penguin and Lembit's Campaign To Make Travel In
London Much More **** For No Reason has got to be a surefire electoral
dream ticket...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 01:29:20 -0800 (PST), solar penguin
wrote:

I'll save my cheering until NR finally bring back cheap offpeak paper
returns for the London area,

I don't think they will ever come back as all the pressure is for
further zonal pricing alignment using Oyster and not in the reverse
direction. Why would TfL wish to finance this and the TOCs are unlikely
to want to go back to a system which loses them revenue and costs more
to retail?

I understand completely why people are not happy about the change btw.

I'm happy. My Vauxhall-Putney singles are still half what they were in
2009!

The only opportunity to influence events is now in terms of you creating
a huge campaign that one of the Mayoral candidates decides is worth
taking hold of and using in their campaign. I'm sure Ken and Lembit will
be delighted to hear from you! Might be a bit hard for Boris to
backtrack given all the push he gave (and credit he has taken) for
getting Oyster on to the NR network in London.

I don't think Lembit will care either way. He's not a candidate.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Mar 13, 11:27*pm, wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

The only opportunity to influence events is now in terms of you creating
a huge campaign that one of the Mayoral candidates decides is worth
taking hold of and using in their campaign. I'm sure Ken and Lembit will
be delighted to hear from you! *Might be a bit hard for Boris to
backtrack given all the push he gave (and credit he has taken) for
getting Oyster on to the NR network in London.

I don't think Lembit will care either way. He's not a candidate.

He wants to be, of course...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11369273

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(Mizter T) wrote:

On Mar 13, 11:27*pm, wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

The only opportunity to influence events is now in terms of you
creating a huge campaign that one of the Mayoral candidates decides
is worth taking hold of and using in their campaign. I'm sure Ken
and Lembit will be delighted to hear from you! *Might be a bit hard
for Boris to backtrack given all the push he gave (and credit he has
taken) for getting Oyster on to the NR network in London.

I don't think Lembit will care either way. He's not a candidate.

He wants to be, of course...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11369273

Wanted to be I'm sure. That was last September. I saw him at the weekend.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:

I don't think Lembit will care either way. He's not a candidate.

He wants to be, of course...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11369273

Wanted to be I'm sure. That was last September. I saw him at the weekend.

He reaffirmed it last week:

http://www.24dash.com/news/housing/2...wnership-drive

And it's clear London Lib Dem activists are desperate to have an alternative
choice:

http://www.libdemvoice.org/rolling-n...ing-23398.html

But it seems the choice for party members will be:

Someone barely known outside their borough
Someone barely known outside their ward
Lembit

On Mar 14, 3:45*pm, wrote:

(Mizter T) wrote:

On Mar 13, 11:27 pm, wrote:
[snip]
I don't think Lembit will care either way. He's not a candidate.

He wants to be, of course...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11369273

Wanted to be I'm sure. That was last September. I saw him at the weekend.

You know this is coming!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11369273
"Former MP Lembit Opik has confirmed he wants to be the Liberal
Democrat candidate in the London mayoral elections [...]"

"Citizen Lem":
http://vimeo.com/19351644

Um.

Littering Lem?

Think the footbridge is the one just west of Tooting station - not
sure which footbridge it was that featured in the original:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMKsR_wUSfA

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12710059

OEPs are to be discontinued in May.

Interesting news - a relatively easy "win" to headline the rail summit
that will be well received by everyone, including the Mayor's critics.

I wonder how much arm twisting has been applied in the background to get
to this point?

Y'know, I don't know how long these have been going, (2 years? more?) but
I've never actually got one. It wasn't until I was visiting a mate out in
Twickenham last year that it struck me as I touched out at the far
station that I probably should have got one - but I guessed they're just
not that important....?

Outside of this and other of the geekier forums, how many people do you
think ever bought them or have any idea of their existence?

On Mar 11, 7:41*pm, Martin Petrov
wrote:
how many people do you
think ever bought them or have any idea of their existence?
In February 2010 TfL reported to London Travelwatch that OEPs were
being set for 3% of appropriate journeys. The latest information I
have seen indicates that this figure has increased.

To 4%