OEPs to be abandoned
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12710059

OEPs are to be discontinued in May.

London Mayor Boris Johnson said: "For anyone heading to outer London the
extension permits were utterly baffling. I'm delighted they will no
longer be required."
--
Paul Terry

OEPs to be abandoned
 

"Paul Terry" wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12710059

OEPs are to be discontinued in May.

London Mayor Boris Johnson said: "For anyone heading to outer London the
extension permits were utterly baffling. I'm delighted they will no longer
be required."


That's very good news.

(Of course the supposed OEP requirement applied just as much to those
heading to inner London, but never mind...)

OEPs to be abandoned
 

"Paul Terry" wrote in message

OEPs are to be discontinued in May.

London Mayor Boris Johnson said: "For anyone heading to outer London the
extension permits were utterly baffling. I'm delighted they will no longer
be required."

The above quote just shows how baffling - what he should have said was 'For
anyone using a combination of Travelcard and PAYG [OEPs] were utterly
baffling".

For many others they were completely irrelevant - it would be interesting to
know the proportions...

TfL version he

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/19358.aspx

Paul S

OEPs to be abandoned
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12710059

OEPs are to be discontinued in May.

Interesting news - a relatively easy "win" to headline the rail summit
that will be well received by everyone, including the Mayor's critics.

I wonder how much arm twisting has been applied in the background to get
to this point?

Y'know, I don't know how long these have been going, (2 years? more?) but
I've never actually got one. It wasn't until I was visiting a mate out in
Twickenham last year that it struck me as I touched out at the far
station that I probably should have got one - but I guessed they're just
not that important....?

Outside of this and other of the geekier forums, how many people do you
think ever bought them or have any idea of their existence?

OEPs to be abandoned
 

Greetings.

In article , Paul Terry wrote:
OEPs are to be discontinued in May.

So what are they going to be replaced with? An honour system?

Regards,
Tristan

--
_
_V.-o Tristan Miller Space is limited
/ |`-' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- In a haiku, so it's hard
(7_\\ http://www.nothingisreal.com/ To finish what you

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"Tristan Miller" wrote in message
...
Greetings.

In article , Paul Terry wrote:
OEPs are to be discontinued in May.

So what are they going to be replaced with? An honour system?

By default, yes. That's how TfL deal with the issue of Oyster travelcard
holders going outside their zones - it's always been assumed they just
accept the risk of underpayment at their relatively small number of ungated
stations.

Paul S

OEPs to be abandoned
 

I misread the subject as "OAPs to be abandoned" and assumed this was
going to be a post about some reduction in validity of the Freedom
Pass and/or the national concessionary bus pass.

Then I (thought I) read:

Paul Terry wrote:

OAPs are to be discontinued in May.


....and I was thinking "??!"

:-)

-roy

OEPs to be abandoned
 

On Mar 12, 8:55*am, Paul Corfield wrote:
They were an overly complex "solution" to a perceived risk to revenue.
The fact that the people who wanted the system put in place did
*nothing* to advertise it to their passengers says it all. *It was also
clear from early GLA member questions that there was little or no
training of TOC staff about the concept and why it was required.

You then move on to the next nonsense which is that the people who
wanted it, did nothing about it then penalty fared their own passengers
for not complying with a system requirement they probably knew nothing
about. You couldn't make it up.

Were people *actually* PFed for not having OEPs, or is that just
extrapolated from theoretical possibility?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On Mar 11, 7:41*pm, Martin Petrov
wrote:
how many people do you
think ever bought them or have any idea of their existence?
In February 2010 TfL reported to London Travelwatch that OEPs were
being set for 3% of appropriate journeys. The latest information I
have seen indicates that this figure has increased.

To 4%

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On Mar 12, 12:41*am, john b wrote:
Were people *actually* PFed for not having OEPs,
It has been reported that Southeastern have been issuing Penalty Fares
for not having an OEP set. See, for example, the response by "Louise"
on this page:
http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/2011/0...hange-to-oeps/

OEPs to be abandoned
 

Paul Terry wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12710059

OEPs are to be discontinued in May.

London Mayor Boris Johnson said: "For anyone heading to outer London the
extension permits were utterly baffling. I'm delighted they will no
longer be required."
--
Paul Terry

So, we've got rid of one very minor part of the whole ugly zonal fares/
Oyster mess, but the rest of the nightmare is still there...? Forgive
me for not getting to excited!

I'll save my cheering until NR finally bring back cheap offpeak paper
returns for the London area, so that Londoners - unlike everyone else
in the rest of the country - don't have to pay extra for basic
privacy! Why should only Londoners be disadvantaged that way?

OEPs to be abandoned
 

Paul Corfield wrote:

extrapolated from theoretical possibility?

South Eastern seem to be the main culprits. I read something last night
that suggested they had programmed their gates to reject Oyster cards
when OEPs were not set. Naturally a ticket inspector was standing close
by to issue a PF.

Are you sure about that? I've used Oyster PAYG between Sydenham Hill
and Victoria several times, and never had any problems at all.

It sounds like one of those urban legends. You know how they start -
someone once had problems with a faulty Oyster reader, the badly-
trained ticket inspector didn't know what was wrong and mistakenly
assumed it was something to do the lack of an OEP, and the customer in
turn mistakenly assumed all sorts of weird conspiracy theories.

Given how many faulty Oyster readers there are out there, that's the
most likely explanation. There's one reader at Gipsy Hill that reads
the card and opens the barrier to let you out, no problems, but
sometimes doesn't always manage to write to tell the card that the
journey's been completed! Three times it given me an Unresolved
Journey because of that! I've tried telling the station man about it,
but he doesn't believe and/or understand it!

_That's_ why Oyster is a real con. It promises you "Sacrifice your
privacy and you'll be rewarded with cheap offpeak fares that you used
to get on paper anyway," but then it doesn't always keep its side of
the bargain and give us those cheap fares! You don't need additional
conspiracy theories about SouthEastern and OEPs, when the basic
concept of Oyster is already such a nightmare!

The sooner paper offpeak cheap day returns are restored within the
London area, the better!

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"solar penguin" wrote in message
...

Are you sure about that? I've used Oyster PAYG between Sydenham Hill
and Victoria several times, and never had any problems at all.


And that's using PAYG in combination with a travelcard - if so for which
zones?

Paul S

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Paul Scott wrote:
"solar penguin" wrote in message
...

Are you sure about that? I've used Oyster PAYG between Sydenham Hill
and Victoria several times, and never had any problems at all.


And that's using PAYG in combination with a travelcard - if so for which
zones?


No Travelcard. But that doesn't matter because the original poster
didn't mention anything at all about Travelcards.

In the bit you deliberately snipped he said, "South Eastern seem to be
the main culprits. I read something last night that suggested they had
programmed their gates to reject Oyster cards
when OEPs were not set."

As stated, that seems to apply to normal Oysters as well as ones with
Travelcards on them.

OEPs to be abandoned
 

"solar penguin" wrote in message
...

Paul Scott wrote:
"solar penguin" wrote in message
...

Are you sure about that? I've used Oyster PAYG between Sydenham Hill
and Victoria several times, and never had any problems at all.

And that's using PAYG in combination with a travelcard - if so for which
zones?

No Travelcard. But that doesn't matter because the original poster
didn't mention anything at all about Travelcards.

In the bit you deliberately snipped he said, "South Eastern seem to be
the main culprits. I read something last night that suggested they had
programmed their gates to reject Oyster cards
when OEPs were not set."

As stated, that seems to apply to normal Oysters as well as ones with
Travelcards on them.

I expect Paul Corfield didn't mention travelcards because it is implied.
The original 'Southeastern' problem he is referring to WAS about people
arriving in Zone 1 with travelcards which were not valid there.

OEPs are completely irrelevant when there is no travelcard involved - as in
your own reported journey.

Paul S

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On 12/03/2011 10:08, solar penguin wrote:


Paul Scott wrote:
"solar wrote in message
...

Are you sure about that? I've used Oyster PAYG between Sydenham Hill
and Victoria several times, and never had any problems at all.


And that's using PAYG in combination with a travelcard - if so for which
zones?


No Travelcard. But that doesn't matter because the original poster
didn't mention anything at all about Travelcards.

Oyster Extension Permits are only needed with Travelcards!

--
Arthur Figgis! Surrey, UK!

OEPs to be abandoned
 

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Roy Badami wrote:

I misread the subject as "OAPs to be abandoned" and assumed this was
going to be a post about some reduction in validity of the Freedom Pass
and/or the national concessionary bus pass.

Then I (thought I) read:

Paul Terry wrote:

OAPs are to be discontinued in May.


...and I was thinking "??!"

:-)

I have visions of you spending the next couple of months kidnapping senior
citizens to take with you whenever you want to take a trip to the outer
zones.

tom

--
A plug on its back, straining to suck voltage from the sky

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In message i, Tom
Anderson writes

I have visions of you spending the next couple of months kidnapping
senior citizens to take with you whenever you want to take a trip to
the outer zones.

Ah, time for a new escalator sign:

OAPs must be carried.

--
Paul Terry

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In article ,
Tristan Miller wrote:

In article , Paul Terry wrote:

So what are they going to be replaced with? An honour system?

I wonder if revenue protection staff could do spot checks of people
leaving the station. I guess it may be a bit impractical in most
places. As more NR stations get gated this will presumably be less of
an issue.

-roy

OEPs to be abandoned
 

On Mar 12, 8:29*pm, solar penguin wrote:
So, we've got rid of one very minor part of the whole ugly zonal fares/
Oyster mess, but the rest of the nightmare is still there...? Forgive
me for not getting to excited!

I'll save my cheering until NR finally bring back cheap offpeak paper
returns for the London area, so that Londoners - unlike everyone else
in the rest of the country - don't have to pay extra for basic
privacy! Why should only Londoners be disadvantaged that way?

Pay cash for an unregistered Oyster card: all the privacy you can eat.
You won't get your money back when you lose it, but then you won't get
a paper return and a wallet full of cash back when you lose those,
either (I'm assuming you don't carry credit cards - JOOI, do you also
refuse to carry fiat money and only use gold sovereigns...?)

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

OEPs to be abandoned
 

On Mar 12, 8:52*pm, solar penguin wrote:
Given how many faulty Oyster readers there are out there, that's the
most likely explanation. *There's one reader at Gipsy Hill that reads
the card and opens the barrier to let you out, no problems, but
sometimes doesn't always manage to write to tell the card that the
journey's been completed! *Three times it given me an Unresolved
Journey because of that! *I've tried telling the station man about it,
but he doesn't believe and/or understand it!

FWIW, nor do I. If the light's gone green and the barrier's opened, I
don't think it's *possible* for the system to leave your journey
unresolved.

_That's_ why Oyster is a real con. *It promises you "Sacrifice your
privacy and you'll be rewarded with cheap offpeak fares that you used
to get on paper anyway," but then it doesn't always keep its side of
the bargain and give us those cheap fares! *You don't need additional
conspiracy theories about SouthEastern and OEPs, when the basic
concept of Oyster is already such a nightmare!

Except that the basic concept of Oyster as on buses, LU, LO, Tramlink
and DLR is completely unproblematic - the only issue is the way in
which the TOCs have implemented it (slowly, grudgingly, on a
ridiculous fare-scale and with ridiculous extra rules like OEPs).

The sooner paper offpeak cheap day returns are restored within the
London area, the better!

They'll cost four shillings and six each, I believe. And you'll get to
ride on slamdoor mk1 stock powered by steam.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

OEPs to be abandoned
 

On Mar 12, 10:09*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
The only opportunity to influence events is now in terms of you creating
a huge campaign that one of the Mayoral candidates decides is worth
taking hold of and using in their campaign. I'm sure Ken and Lembit will
be delighted to hear from you! *Might be a bit hard for Boris to
backtrack given all the push he gave (and credit he has taken) for
getting Oyster on to the NR network in London.

Might be a *teensy* bit tough to get Ken on board as well, I reckon.

So Lembit it is. Solar Penguin and Lembit's Campaign To Make Travel In
London Much More **** For No Reason has got to be a surefire electoral
dream ticket...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

OEPs to be abandoned
 

On Mar 12, 10:08*am, solar penguin wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:

"solar penguin" wrote:

Are you sure about that? *I've used Oyster PAYG between Sydenham Hill
and Victoria several times, and never had any problems at all.

And that's using PAYG in combination with a travelcard - if so for which
zones?

No Travelcard. *But that doesn't matter because the original poster
didn't mention anything at all about Travelcards.

In the bit you deliberately snipped he said, "South Eastern seem to be
the main culprits. I read something last night that suggested they had
programmed their gates to reject Oyster cards
when OEPs were not set."

As stated, that seems to apply to normal Oysters as well as ones with
Travelcards on them.

OEPs only have any meaning in relation to a Travelcard loaded on an
Oyster card, end of. (You can set an OEP on an Oyster when using it
purely in 'PAYG mode', but it doesn't mean anything.)

OEPs to be abandoned
 

In article ,
john b wrote:
On Mar 12, 8:29*pm, solar penguin wrote:
either (I'm assuming you don't carry credit cards - JOOI, do you also
refuse to carry fiat money and only use gold sovereigns...?)

A gold sovereign (1837 or later) is legal tender to the value of one
pound. So not enough to pay for any tube journey.

-roy

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On Mar 12, 12:45*pm, john b wrote:
On Mar 12, 8:52*pm, solar penguin wrote:

Given how many faulty Oyster readers there are out there, that's the
most likely explanation. *There's one reader at Gipsy Hill that reads
the card and opens the barrier to let you out, no problems, but
sometimes doesn't always manage to write to tell the card that the
journey's been completed! *Three times it given me an Unresolved
Journey because of that! *I've tried telling the station man about it,
but he doesn't believe and/or understand it!

FWIW, nor do I. If the light's gone green and the barrier's opened, I
don't think it's *possible* for the system to leave your journey
unresolved.


--
John Band
john at johnband dot orgwww.johnband.org

John - it is perfectly possible. The gate / validator, station
computer and hence the central system record the exit (or entry -
equally possible) but the exit (or entry) is not written to the card.
It happens from time to time.

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On Mar 13, 7:06*am, Jack wrote:
On Mar 12, 12:45*pm, john b wrote:









On Mar 12, 8:52*pm, solar penguin wrote:

Given how many faulty Oyster readers there are out there, that's the
most likely explanation. *There's one reader at Gipsy Hill that reads
the card and opens the barrier to let you out, no problems, but
sometimes doesn't always manage to write to tell the card that the
journey's been completed! *Three times it given me an Unresolved
Journey because of that! *I've tried telling the station man about it,
but he doesn't believe and/or understand it!

FWIW, nor do I. If the light's gone green and the barrier's opened, I
don't think it's *possible* for the system to leave your journey
unresolved.

John - *it is perfectly possible. *The gate / validator, *station
computer and hence the central system record the exit (or entry -
equally possible) but the exit (or entry) is not written to the card.
It happens from time to time.

And you're saying the process is designed so that, even though there's
a record of your journey being completed in the central system, the
fact that it hasn't been written to the card means that when the
system does its reckoning, the central record gets ignored and you get
penalised for an unresolved journey?

If so, that's a sufficiently stupid outcome that I hadn't even
considered it might be the case. Anyone care to confirm?

JB

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On Mar 13, 2:07*am, john b wrote:
On Mar 13, 7:06*am, Jack wrote:





On Mar 12, 12:45*pm, john b wrote:

On Mar 12, 8:52*pm, solar penguin wrote:

Given how many faulty Oyster readers there are out there, that's the
most likely explanation. *There's one reader at Gipsy Hill that reads
the card and opens the barrier to let you out, no problems, but
sometimes doesn't always manage to write to tell the card that the
journey's been completed! *Three times it given me an Unresolved
Journey because of that! *I've tried telling the station man about it,
but he doesn't believe and/or understand it!

FWIW, nor do I. If the light's gone green and the barrier's opened, I
don't think it's *possible* for the system to leave your journey
unresolved.

John - *it is perfectly possible. *The gate / validator, *station
computer and hence the central system record the exit (or entry -
equally possible) but the exit (or entry) is not written to the card.
It happens from time to time.

And you're saying the process is designed so that, even though there's
a record of your journey being completed in the central system, the
fact that it hasn't been written to the card means that when the
system does its reckoning, the central record gets ignored and you get
penalised for an unresolved journey?

If so, that's a sufficiently stupid outcome that I hadn't even
considered it might be the case. Anyone care to confirm?

JB

John - the system adjusts data on the card chip during transactions.
The balance and / or season tickets are held on the card chip, not in
the central system. As you are no doubt aware, there are
retrospective refund processes available, both user-iniated by phone,
email etc and also "automated" refunds for "operational issues".
The scenario described may be picked up by the automated process - I
am not sure. It is not "designed" to fail to write an entry or exit
to the chip. There will always be a minority of transactions that are
not completely successful.
The point is that maximum fares are deducted during the transaction
with the gate or validator and not after the fact.

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In message of Sat, 12 Mar
2011 07:47:30 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield
writes
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:41:45 -0800 (PST), john b
wrote:

On Mar 12, 8:55Â*am, Paul Corfield wrote:
They were an overly complex "solution" to a perceived risk to revenue.
The fact that the people who wanted the system put in place did
*nothing* to advertise it to their passengers says it all. Â*It was also
clear from early GLA member questions that there was little or no
training of TOC staff about the concept and why it was required.

You then move on to the next nonsense which is that the people who
wanted it, did nothing about it then penalty fared their own passengers
for not complying with a system requirement they probably knew nothing
about. You couldn't make it up.

Were people *actually* PFed for not having OEPs, or is that just
extrapolated from theoretical possibility?

South Eastern seem to be the main culprits. I read something last night
that suggested they had programmed their gates to reject Oyster cards
when OEPs were not set. Naturally a ticket inspector was standing close
by to issue a PF. To my mind that it is beyond petty - I do not
condone fare evasion *at all* but operators have to do their bit to
ensure the poor passenger has a chance of understanding the rules and
then complying with them without being put through a "trial by fire and
water" (in ticketing terms).


Paul, I think your "somewhere" was probably this posting in this thread:
In message
s.com of Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:36:09 in uk.transport.london, "John @
home" writes
On Mar 12, 12:41Â*am, john b wrote:
Were people *actually* PFed for not having OEPs,
It has been reported that Southeastern have been issuing Penalty Fares
for not having an OEP set. See, for example, the response by "Louise"
on this page:
http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/2011/0...hange-to-oeps/

It starts with conjecture. There is real evidence from "Louise".

"I have only recently moved to London ... and travelled from Lewisham to
charing Cross on a Z2-3 Travelcard. When I got to Charing Cross I
couldnt get through the gate. I didn’t understand what was going on as I
had almost £10 on my card. Three gate guards pointed me towards the
information desk and a southeastern guy fined me the £20 and asked if I
wanted to appeal. Apparently ‘I have never heard of an OEP’ wasn’t good
enough defence. Then he walked me to a machine and told me how to put
the OEP on."
I suspect this would not stand against appeal, but most people would not
bother with the hassle.

I don't know if the following article is correct http://www.thisislondo
n.co.uk/standard/article-23731140-fare-dodgers.do. It says the appeals
services are not independent. It advises refusing to pay any dubious
demands and letting "them" sue. Again, who needs the hassle. ;)

[snip]
--
Walter Briscoe

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In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

They were an overly complex "solution" to a perceived risk to revenue.
The fact that the people who wanted the system put in place did
*nothing* to advertise it to their passengers says it all. It was also
clear from early GLA member questions that there was little or no
training of TOC staff about the concept and why it was required.

Maybe true at the outset but the posters at Putney Station seemed clear
enough last time I saw them there, last week.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 01:29:20 -0800 (PST), solar penguin
wrote:

I'll save my cheering until NR finally bring back cheap offpeak paper
returns for the London area,

I don't think they will ever come back as all the pressure is for
further zonal pricing alignment using Oyster and not in the reverse
direction. Why would TfL wish to finance this and the TOCs are unlikely
to want to go back to a system which loses them revenue and costs more
to retail?

I understand completely why people are not happy about the change btw.

I'm happy. My Vauxhall-Putney singles are still half what they were in
2009!

The only opportunity to influence events is now in terms of you creating
a huge campaign that one of the Mayoral candidates decides is worth
taking hold of and using in their campaign. I'm sure Ken and Lembit will
be delighted to hear from you! Might be a bit hard for Boris to
backtrack given all the push he gave (and credit he has taken) for
getting Oyster on to the NR network in London.

I don't think Lembit will care either way. He's not a candidate.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Mar 13, 11:27*pm, wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

They were an overly complex "solution" to a perceived risk to revenue.
The fact that the people who wanted the system put in place did
*nothing* to advertise it to their passengers says it all. *It was also
clear from early GLA member questions that there was little or no
training of TOC staff about the concept and why it was required.

Maybe true at the outset but the posters at Putney Station seemed clear
enough last time I saw them there, last week.

I wouldn't extrapolate from what can be seen at Putney station to the
349 other National Rail stations in Greater London. I'll keep my eyes
open and look out for what's on display, but my instant reaction to
that is that there remains scant publicity about OEPs on show around
the rail network in London.

Furthermore, given SWT machines don't yet (UIVMM) offer any Oyster
capabilities (this is coming but I don't think we're there yet),
passengers can't even enable an OEP at SWT stations - they
(supposedly) need to hunt down an Oyster 'ticket stop' shop to get an
OEP loaded there. Balls to SWT, I say!

OEPs to be abandoned
 

On Mar 13, 11:27*pm, wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

The only opportunity to influence events is now in terms of you creating
a huge campaign that one of the Mayoral candidates decides is worth
taking hold of and using in their campaign. I'm sure Ken and Lembit will
be delighted to hear from you! *Might be a bit hard for Boris to
backtrack given all the push he gave (and credit he has taken) for
getting Oyster on to the NR network in London.

I don't think Lembit will care either way. He's not a candidate.

He wants to be, of course...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11369273

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On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 06:09:01PM +0000, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:57:02 +0000, Paul Terry
wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12710059

OEPs are to be discontinued in May.

Interesting news - a relatively easy "win" to headline the rail summit
that will be well received by everyone, including the Mayor's critics.
I wonder how much arm twisting has been applied in the background to get
to this point?

Probably not much, given that they haven't ever (or at least not after
the first couple of weeks when everyone realised just how stupid they
were) been enforced.

--
David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world

Computer Science is about lofty design goals and careful algorithmic
optimisation. Sysadminning is about cleaning up the resulting mess.

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In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Mar 13, 11:27*pm, wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

They were an overly complex "solution" to a perceived risk to
revenue. The fact that the people who wanted the system put in
place did *nothing* to advertise it to their passengers says it
all. *It was also clear from early GLA member questions that there
was little or no training of TOC staff about the concept and why it
was required.

Maybe true at the outset but the posters at Putney Station seemed
clear enough last time I saw them there, last week.

I wouldn't extrapolate from what can be seen at Putney station to the
349 other National Rail stations in Greater London. I'll keep my eyes
open and look out for what's on display, but my instant reaction to
that is that there remains scant publicity about OEPs on show around
the rail network in London.

Furthermore, given SWT machines don't yet (UIVMM) offer any Oyster
capabilities (this is coming but I don't think we're there yet),
passengers can't even enable an OEP at SWT stations - they
(supposedly) need to hunt down an Oyster 'ticket stop' shop to get an
OEP loaded there. Balls to SWT, I say!

I made my comment because it was much better than things were a year ago
and seemed to be typical of SWT, one of the Oyster refusenik TOCs in the
sense that you still can't buy Oyster credit at their booking offices
(other than where they share with TfL as at Richmond and Wimbledon).

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Mar 13, 11:27*pm, wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

The only opportunity to influence events is now in terms of you
creating a huge campaign that one of the Mayoral candidates decides
is worth taking hold of and using in their campaign. I'm sure Ken
and Lembit will be delighted to hear from you! *Might be a bit hard
for Boris to backtrack given all the push he gave (and credit he has
taken) for getting Oyster on to the NR network in London.

I don't think Lembit will care either way. He's not a candidate.

He wants to be, of course...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11369273

Wanted to be I'm sure. That was last September. I saw him at the weekend.

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Colin Rosenstiel

OEPs to be abandoned
 

In message ,
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I made my comment because it was much better than things were a year ago
and seemed to be typical of SWT, one of the Oyster refusenik TOCs in the
sense that you still can't buy Oyster credit at their booking offices
(other than where they share with TfL as at Richmond and Wimbledon).

SWT will be offering Oyster products at all their booking offices from
May, following an agreement with the DfT last year.
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Paul Terry

OEPs to be abandoned
 

wrote in message
...
In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

I made my comment because it was much better than things were a year ago
and seemed to be typical of SWT, one of the Oyster refusenik TOCs in the
sense that you still can't buy Oyster credit at their booking offices
(other than where they share with TfL as at Richmond and Wimbledon).

I don't know if they started recently but when Oyster was an TfL only
product stations shared with NR didn't sell Oyster products unless the
station was Owned by TfL.

(so the above examples didn't, but Kew Gardens did)

tim

OEPs to be abandoned
 

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:29:29 +0000, Paul Terry
wrote:

SWT will be offering Oyster products at all their booking offices from
May, following an agreement with the DfT last year.

Eh? Booking offices? I thought the plan was only to provide the
capability on passenger operated machines. Given SWT's penchant for
closing booking offices it seems perverse to just provide Oyster
capability at offices. It won't help anyone trying to top up their
Oyster card at somewhere like Barnes. The practice on other TOCs has
been to provide Oyster functionality *only* on POMs / TVMs.

It is SWT's TVMs only according to their own media release Paul.

As those of us who've been following this for a few years will realise
already, the basic issue was that DfT insisted that SWT's TVMs were provided
with ITSO compatibility , which wasn't supposed to be a problem because DfT
would also ensure Oyster/ITSO compatibility in parallel. The latter turrned
out not to be possible.

Paul S

OEPs to be abandoned
 

In article ,
(Paul Terry) wrote:

In message ,
writes

I made my comment because it was much better than things were a year go
and seemed to be typical of SWT, one of the Oyster refusenik TOCs in
the sense that you still can't buy Oyster credit at their booking
offices (other than where they share with TfL as at Richmond and
Wimbledon).

SWT will be offering Oyster products at all their booking offices
from May, following an agreement with the DfT last year.

Oh good! They can replace the posters about OEPs with ones about Oyster!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

OEPs to be abandoned
 

In message , Paul Corfield
writes

Eh? Booking offices? I thought the plan was only to provide the
capability on passenger operated machines.

It is indeed, but TVMs are provided outside all SWT booking offices.
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Paul Terry