On Fri, 13 May 2011 14:47:43 +0100
"Mizter T" wrote:
Yes, I suppose that could be the case. No doubt even then however she'd
have ended up paying more than for just a straightforward through journey.


I disagree - the system doesn't operate randomly. However please do note
that I'm not criticising her or anyone else who might get caught up in

I'm not saying it operates randomly , but what she would be doing is
effectively finishing one journey and then starting a new one at the same
station which always costs more than a through journey. Anyone who doesn't
believe me is welcome to try it!

B2003

wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 14:47:43 +0100
"Mizter T" wrote:
Yes, I suppose that could be the case. No doubt even then however she'd
have ended up paying more than for just a straightforward through
journey.


I disagree - the system doesn't operate randomly. However please do note
that I'm not criticising her or anyone else who might get caught up in

I'm not saying it operates randomly , but what she would be doing is
effectively finishing one journey and then starting a new one at the same
station which always costs more than a through journey. Anyone who doesn't
believe me is welcome to try it!


No - it would be charged as one through journey - because it's configured as
an OSI, and that's what happens at OSIs - 'closed' journeys are re-opened
when touching in at the second station/gateline, or in this case on the
standalone validators en-route to the Tube platforms. (Am prob up that way
shortly, if so I'll try it out in practice.)

On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:12:42 +0100
"Mizter T" wrote:
No - it would be charged as one through journey - because it's configured as
an OSI, and that's what happens at OSIs - 'closed' journeys are re-opened
when touching in at the second station/gateline, or in this case on the
standalone validators en-route to the Tube platforms. (Am prob up that way
shortly, if so I'll try it out in practice.)

But what happens if someone touches out on the platform and then just leaves
the station?

Anyway , if you do do that journey post the result here because I'm sure my
wife would be interested to know as she does that trip quite often and
she's not a fan of the northern line.

B2003

wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:12:42 +0100
"Mizter T" wrote:
No - it would be charged as one through journey - because it's configured
as
an OSI, and that's what happens at OSIs - 'closed' journeys are re-opened
when touching in at the second station/gateline, or in this case on the
standalone validators en-route to the Tube platforms. (Am prob up that way
shortly, if so I'll try it out in practice.)

But what happens if someone touches out on the platform and then just
leaves
the station?

Their journey is finished - the card is in a state whereby the journey is
regarded as being resolved, but it can be re-comenced if touched-in at 'the
other' station or stations (so long as that happens within a certain time
period) - this would not be the case if one exited from a station/gateline
without an OSI.


Anyway , if you do do that journey post the result here because I'm sure
my
wife would be interested to know as she does that trip quite often and
she's not a fan of the northern line.

Think it may have lost its crown of the 'misery line' to the Jubilee these
days but must say that I do still boggle a little when travelling on it
during the high-peak.

On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:31:32 +0100
"Mizter T" wrote:
Think it may have lost its crown of the 'misery line' to the Jubilee these
days but must say that I do still boggle a little when travelling on it
during the high-peak.

I don't understand why the trains run so slowly. 20mph seems to be the
max in town.

B2003

In message , d
writes

I don't understand why the trains run so slowly. 20mph seems to be the
max in town.

Faster speeds require a greater distance between trains, so if they ran
faster there would be no improvement in frequency (which tends to be the
thing that matters for most people).

Once the line is signalled for full ATO, speeds will improve (but even
20mph is twice the average car speed in central London).
--
Paul Terry

On Fri, 13 May 2011 19:08:45 +0100
Paul Terry wrote:
I don't understand why the trains run so slowly. 20mph seems to be the
max in town.

Faster speeds require a greater distance between trains, so if they ran
faster there would be no improvement in frequency (which tends to be the
thing that matters for most people).

Sure, but they run slowly even when there isn't a train in front for
literally miles because you've just waited 10 minutes for one to show up.
Even on long sections between kings cross and angel they seem to trundle
along at their own leisurely pace. I don't understand why they bothered to
spend all that money on new trains in the 90s if theres no improvement
in service speed from using them. 15 years is long enough to up the line
speed.

B2003

On 13/05/2011 19:08, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , d writes

I don't understand why the trains run so slowly. 20mph seems to be the
max in town.

Faster speeds require a greater distance between trains, so if they ran
faster there would be no improvement in frequency (which tends to be the
thing that matters for most people).

Once the line is signalled for full ATO, speeds will improve (but even
20mph is twice the average car speed in central London).

I thought that they were closer to 35 miles. I know that the Northern
Line is 35 miles in central London.

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

No - it would be charged as one through journey - because it's configured
as an OSI, and that's what happens at OSIs - 'closed' journeys are
re-opened when touching in at the second station/gateline, or in this case
on the standalone validators en-route to the Tube platforms. (Am prob up
that way shortly, if so I'll try it out in practice.)

Looks like Boltar has missed about three or four years worth of on and off
discussion here explaining exactly what happens at OSIs.

Paul S

On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:20:43 +0100
"Paul Scott" wrote:
Looks like Boltar has missed about three or four years worth of on and off
discussion here explaining exactly what happens at OSIs.

My eyes probably glazed over.

B2003