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DLR Canning Town Stratford International - still not opened ...
This is clearly marked on numerous maps as opening in Autumn 2010. Its
Spring 2011 - what's the delay? CJB. |
DLR Canning Town Stratford International - still not opened ...
"CJB" wrote in message ... This is clearly marked on numerous maps as opening in Autumn 2010. Its Spring 2011 - what's the delay? CJB. The online map says summer 2011 so no idea. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-route-map.pdf Hopefully it will be soon as I think Star Lane may come in handy for work. |
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On Jun 14, 6:18*pm, "Q" ..@.. wrote:
"CJB" wrote in message ... This is clearly marked on numerous maps as opening in Autumn 2010. Its Spring 2011 - what's the delay? CJB. The online map says summer 2011 so no idea. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-route-map.pdf Hopefully it will be soon as I think Star Lane may come in handy for work.. Interesting map - thank you. It seems that to get to/from the City of London (Bank or Tower Hill) and Stratford International (and presumably the Olympic Site) everyone will have to change at Canning Town. This is going to cause chaos at peak flows with tourists and commuters milling around changing trains and presumably changing platforms. Why on earth didn't they put a chord in for trains to go direct from say Bank to Stratord International etc.? CJB |
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On Jun 15, 10:57*am, CJB wrote:
On Jun 14, 6:18*pm, "Q" ..@.. wrote: "CJB" wrote in message ... This is clearly marked on numerous maps as opening in Autumn 2010. Its Spring 2011 - what's the delay? CJB. The online map says summer 2011 so no idea. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-route-map.pdf Hopefully it will be soon as I think Star Lane may come in handy for work. Interesting map - thank you. It seems that to get to/from the City of London (Bank or Tower Hill) and Stratford International (and presumably the Olympic Site) everyone will have to change at Canning Town. This is going to cause chaos at peak flows with tourists and commuters milling around changing trains and presumably changing platforms. Why on earth didn't they put a chord in for trains to go direct from say Bank to Stratord International etc.? How many people have any reason to want to actually travel between Stratford International and Bank? Almost every journey I can think of between somewhere in central London and somewhere in Stratford is better served via HS1 between St Pancras and Stratford International, as the train is so much faster than the DLR (even if the latter did have direct trains). If you are thinking of the Olympics, why would people want to go via Bank at all (would you really expect to go from the office to the games rather than from home to the games)? How many people can get from their home to Bank more easily than they can get from their homes to St Pancras (or direct to Stratford)? In the longer term, it seems to me the main use for this line is to connect passengers using HS1 with the wider Docklands region. If there were a north to west curve at Canning Town, I would suggest that it would be far more useful to use it for Lewisham - Isle of Dogs - Canning Town - Stratford Intl services than Bank - Canning Town - Stratford Intl. To my mind, the most useful feature of this new line will be to allow me to get from north of London to City Airport (eg Cambridge - King's Cross - St Pancras - Stratford Intl - Canning Town - LCY). Having done Cambridge to LCY a few times recently, I'm definitely looking forward to this option (oddly I've had trouble buying a ticket from Cambridge to Stratford International from Cambridge station, and tickets from Cambridge to Stratford, routed any permitted, won't open the gates at St Pancras (Kent), although the staff are happy enough to let me through). Robin |
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"CJB" wrote in message
On Jun 14, 6:18 pm, "Q" ..@.. wrote: "CJB" wrote in message ... This is clearly marked on numerous maps as opening in Autumn 2010. Its Spring 2011 - what's the delay? CJB. The online map says summer 2011 so no idea. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-route-map.pdf Hopefully it will be soon as I think Star Lane may come in handy for work. Interesting map - thank you. It seems that to get to/from the City of London (Bank or Tower Hill) and Stratford International (and presumably the Olympic Site) everyone will have to change at Canning Town. This is going to cause chaos at peak flows with tourists and commuters milling around changing trains and presumably changing platforms. Why on earth didn't they put a chord in for trains to go direct from say Bank to Stratord International etc.? The Olympic site is best accessed from Stratford Regional, which already has connections from the City (on the Central and mainline), the West End (via the Jubilee) and from Canary Wharf (via the existing DLR). If someone wants to get there from Tower Hill directly, then the District to West Ham is best. In one of these cases is a change needed. Stratford International is best placed for connecting to the Athletes' Village, which is a large residential area of the future, and international trains, if they ever stop there. |
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"Robin9" wrote in message
CJB;120600 Wrote: This is clearly marked on numerous maps as opening in Autumn 2010. Its Spring 2011 - what's the delay? CJB. It's a Transport For London project, isn't it? Did you expect it to be completed quickly? Actually, most DLR projects have been completed on time. |
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"Recliner" wrote in message
In one of these cases is a change needed. Oops, of course I meant in *none* of these cases is a change needed. |
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On Jun 15, 10:41*am, "Recliner" wrote:
"Robin9" wrote in message CJB;120600 Wrote: This is clearly marked on numerous maps as opening in Autumn 2010. Its Spring 2011 - what's the delay? CJB. It's a Transport For London project, isn't it? Did you expect it to be completed quickly? Actually, most DLR projects have been completed on time. I think the main construction work has been completed. There was a clip on BBC London News a few weeks ago showing a train arriving at Stratford, and Boris getting on the train. Presumably they are into the testing phase at the moment. |
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Or of course there are the special Games Lanes for road traffic which
will let VIPs play at being* the Soviet Politburo - and which will imprison us locals for the best part of 3 months. *in the case of the IOC make that "continue to behave like" -- Robin PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com |
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:10:28 +0100
"Robin" wrote: Or of course there are the special Games Lanes for road traffic which will let VIPs play at being* the Soviet Politburo - and which will imprison us locals for the best part of 3 months. *in the case of the IOC make that "continue to behave like" It'll be interesting to see if TfL manage to finish the interminable roadworks on the 406 before 2012. So far its taken them 9 months to strip away a grass verge and lay 300 metres of tarmac near Arnos Grove. The workman must be british or irish , I can't imagine eastern europeans taking that long to do so little. Apparently the works at Henleys Corner will be finished in spring 2012. Yeah , we'll see! B2003 |
DLR Canning Town Stratford International - still not opened ...
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, bob wrote: To my mind, the most useful feature of this new line will be to allow me to get from north of London to City Airport (eg Cambridge - King's Cross - St Pancras - Stratford Intl - Canning Town - LCY). Another option is Finsbury Park ‹ Highbury ‹ Shadwell ‹ LCY. E. |
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bob wrote:
(oddly I've had trouble buying a ticket from Cambridge to Stratford International from Cambridge station, and tickets from Cambridge to Stratford, routed any permitted, won't open the gates at St Pancras (Kent), although the staff are happy enough to let me through). IIUC Stratford International for domestic services is a pick-up to Kent/set-down to London only station. Certainly the buses to & from Stratford regional are timed only to connect that way and I'd presume the gates are working on the same principle (although the staff may either be more relaxed about this or simply not know). |
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Recliner wrote:
The Olympic site is best accessed from Stratford Regional, which already has connections from the City (on the Central and mainline), the West End (via the Jubilee) and from Canary Wharf (via the existing DLR). If someone wants to get there from Tower Hill directly, then the District to West Ham is best. Has any thought been given to a Fenchurch Street to Stratford special service? There's still a connection across Bow isn't there? |
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CJB wrote:
Interesting map - thank you. It seems that to get to/from the City of London (Bank or Tower Hill) and Stratford International (and presumably the Olympic Site) everyone will have to change at Canning Town. This is going to cause chaos at peak flows with tourists and commuters milling around changing trains and presumably changing platforms. Why on earth didn't they put a chord in for trains to go direct from say Bank to Stratord International etc.? Surely that journey is better done by Central line to Stratford then pick up the DLR for the final stretch? |
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On Jun 15, 12:41*pm, eastender wrote:
In article , *bob wrote: To my mind, the most useful feature of this new line will be to allow me to get from north of London to City Airport (eg Cambridge - King's Cross - St Pancras - Stratford Intl - Canning Town - LCY). Another option is Finsbury Park Highbury Shadwell LCY. In the general case of approaching from the north, that's certainly an option, in the particular case of Cambridge, the service to Finsbury Park isn't great (there are twice hourly non-stop trains to the Cross that don't call at FP, one semi that calls at FP in a useful time, and one stopper that's no good to man nor beast). There is also the very occasional Cambridge to Stratford train on the Liverpool Street route, but I've never figured whether it's actually useful for this particular journey. The last couple of times I made the journey it wasn't running for various reasons. Robin |
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"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
Recliner wrote: The Olympic site is best accessed from Stratford Regional, which already has connections from the City (on the Central and mainline), the West End (via the Jubilee) and from Canary Wharf (via the existing DLR). If someone wants to get there from Tower Hill directly, then the District to West Ham is best. Has any thought been given to a Fenchurch Street to Stratford special service? There's still a connection across Bow isn't there? I would have thought any Olympic-goers from Fenchurch St would just be expected to use the West Ham gateway station. |
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"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote IIUC Stratford International for domestic services is a pick-up to Kent/set-down to London only station. Not the case. It is a normal stop, which will be much more useful when the DLR gets there. Peter |
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On Jun 15, 1:15*pm, bob wrote:
On Jun 15, 12:41*pm, eastender wrote: In article , *bob wrote: To my mind, the most useful feature of this new line will be to allow me to get from north of London to City Airport (eg Cambridge - King's Cross - St Pancras - Stratford Intl - Canning Town - LCY). Another option is Finsbury Park Highbury Shadwell LCY. In the general case of approaching from the north, that's certainly an option, in the particular case of Cambridge, the service to Finsbury Park isn't great (there are twice hourly non-stop trains to the Cross that don't call at FP, one semi that calls at FP in a useful time, and one stopper that's no good to man nor beast). *There is also the very occasional Cambridge to Stratford train on the Liverpool Street route, but I've never figured whether it's actually useful for this particular journey. *The last couple of times I made the journey it wasn't running for various reasons. Robin Yup - whenever I've tried to change at Tottenham Hale between Cambridge and Stratford I've ended up having to go via Liverpool St. Well, I think it worked once. Tim |
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"CJB" wrote in message
... Why on earth didn't they put a chord in for trains to go direct from say Bank to Stratord International etc.? Presumably because there's already a faster route available via changes at Poplar and Stratford? Paul S |
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"Peter Masson" wrote in message ... "Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote IIUC Stratford International for domestic services is a pick-up to Kent/set-down to London only station. Not the case. It is a normal stop, which will be much more useful when the DLR gets there. Peter And I've travelled Stratford International to St Pancras buyiong ticket from the man where the bus stop is in Stratford Regional. |
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On Jun 15, 4:49*pm, Robin9 wrote: 'Recliner wrote: Actually, most DLR projects have been completed on time. Sure, but completing on time is not the same as completing quickly. Any fool can allocate twice as much time as necessary to a project and then claim a great success when the project is completed on time. So basically they can't win against the inevitability in your mind that they'll make a mess of it then? Finished late - bloody typical. Finished early - bloody typical. DLR projects have in the main been regarded as successes - this one meanwhile has obviously not all been plain sailing. |
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I would have thought any Olympic-goers from Fenchurch St would just be expected to use the West Ham gateway station. What's wrong with Tower Hill, then a quick change at Mile End? It must be almost the easiest station on LT to change at! |
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In uk.transport.london message , Wed, 15
Jun 2011 10:39:30, d posted: Apparently the works at Henleys Corner will be finished in spring 2012. No such place, at least in the London area. See Wikipedia or Google. -- (c) John Stockton, nr London UK. DOS 3.3, 6.20; WinXP. Web http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - FAQqish topics, acronyms and links. PAS EXE TXT ZIP via http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/00index.htm My DOS http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/batfiles.htm - also batprogs.htm. |
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On Jun 16, 5:48*pm, Robin9 wrote: Mizter T wrote: So basically they can't win against the inevitability in your mind that they'll make a mess of it then? Finished late - bloody typical. Finished early - bloody typical. What an eccentric question! What makes you think I will complain if they finish a project early? Your comments just upthread, that's what! |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:52:30 +0100, Dr J R Stockton
wrote: In uk.transport.london message , Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:39:30, d posted: Apparently the works at Henleys Corner will be finished in spring 2012. No such place, at least in the London area. See Wikipedia or Google. There is if you get rid of the surplus "e":- "Transport for London Henlys Corner We are carrying out major improvements to the busy Henlys Corner junction, at the intersection of the A406 North Circular Road and A598 Finchley Road/Regents Park Road. The scheme will improve crossing facilities for pedestrians and cyclists and ease traffic congestion. There will be new signal-controlled pedestrian- and cyclist-crossing facilities as well as a new junction design to improve traffic flow." [http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...es/11571.aspx] |
DLR Canning Town Stratford International - still not opened ...
Problems with the control system / software.
But there's still snagging going on at various locations. This week at Canning Town... a number of paving stones have been removed at intervals from the 'down' platform edge after huddles of contractors were seen examining them. An alignment/ gauging problem, maybe? and both the new stairwell and the original one still have coloured netting draped over them On 2011-06-14 17:42:37 +0100, CJB said: This is clearly marked on numerous maps as opening in Autumn 2010. Its Spring 2011 - what's the delay? CJB. |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:52:30 +0100
Dr J R Stockton wrote: In uk.transport.london message , Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:39:30, d posted: Apparently the works at Henleys Corner will be finished in spring 2012. No such place, at least in the London area. See Wikipedia or Google. What are you , some kind of new breed of idiot? B2003 |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:24:00 +0100
Charles Ellson wrote: There will be new signal-controlled pedestrian- and cyclist-crossing facilities as well as a new junction design to improve traffic flow." [http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...es/11571.aspx] If they really wanted to improve traffic flow they'd have put either the A406 or the A1 on a flyover or under. They did it all along the eastern stretch of the 406 , I can't see why they can't do the same on the western stretch. B2003 |
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Dr J R Stockton wrote:
In uk.transport.london message , Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:39:30, d posted: Apparently the works at Henleys Corner will be finished in spring 2012. No such place, at least in the London area. See Wikipedia or Google. Oh there is. I lost an hour in a queue there the other day. It's just not spelt that way. People have a habit of getting the "e" before the "y" mixed up in all sorts of words that end with a y. I should know. -- ..sig down for maintenance |
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Charles Ellson wrote:
"Transport for London Henlys Corner We are carrying out major improvements to the busy Henlys Corner junction, at the intersection of the A406 North Circular Road and A598 Finchley Road/Regents Park Road. The scheme will improve crossing facilities for pedestrians and cyclists and ease traffic congestion. There will be new signal-controlled pedestrian- and cyclist-crossing facilities as well as a new junction design to improve traffic flow." [http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...es/11571.aspx] A huge opportunity - missed. What is desperately needed at this junction, where three extremely busy roads (A1, A406 North Circular Road, A598 Finchley Road) cross, is grade separation. There was enough land available, thanks to compulsory purchase of the Henly's car dealership, and grade separated schemes for this site have been looked at in detail in the past. However TfL allowed the (understandably) negative views of a few local residents to over-ride the need for a scheme that would benefit the tens of thousands of people who use this junction every working day. The result is a barely improved junction that adds very little capacity. It also wastes the land that could have been used for a properly considered grade separated scheme, either with a flyover for the A406 or a less intrusive but more expensive underpass. |
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The A1 was to go underneath in a tunnel, the A406 was to retain its current course and above, as at Brent Cross, there was to be an elevated roundabout into which the A598 would feed directly. It was in preparation for this scheme that Henly's Garage was moved and the land acquired. I think you underestimate TfL's determination to prevent real improvements from ever taking place. It wasn't that they allowed themselves to be influenced by a few nay-sayers. They actively sought them out in order to have a pretext for their wasteful scheme. This is standard practice by unscrupulous public bodies. On any subject under the sun there is always a handful of cranks with a perverse opinion. If a public body wants to do something that the vast majority of people oppose, the trick is to seek out the cranks, ne'er-do-wells and utterly selfish people who don't give a damn for the public interest and then claim that these people represent the majority. |
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Incidentally nothing in those posts suggests I think they will make a mess of this project either. I assume the project will eventually be completed in such a way that a reasonable service will be provided. I just doubt that it will be completed quickly or at a sensible cost. |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Chris Tolley wrote:
Dr J R Stockton wrote: In uk.transport.london message , Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:39:30, d posted: Apparently the works at Henleys Corner will be finished in spring 2012. No such place, at least in the London area. See Wikipedia or Google. Oh there is. I lost an hour in a queue there the other day. It's just not spelt that way. People have a habit of getting the "e" before the "y" mixed up in all sorts of words that end with a y. I should know. Serves you right for moving to Hackny. tom -- WHO REPLACED THE CLIENT FILES WITH TEQUILA.. ALFONZ?? |
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On Jun 15, 8:49*pm, "Graham Harrison"
wrote: "Peter Masson" wrote in message ... "Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote IIUC Stratford International for domestic services is a pick-up to Kent/set-down to London only station. Not the case. It is a normal stop, which will be much more useful when the DLR gets there. Peter And I've travelled Stratford International to St Pancras buyiong ticket from the man where the bus stop is in Stratford Regional. I'm thinking about travel from East Anglia (NXEA) to St Pancras Intnl in August. Is is possible to get off at Stratford Regional and walk to Stratford Intl to pick up the Javelin for a fast run to St Pancras? Is that doable on a standard off-peak saver ticket from NXEA to London terminals, or is a supplement payable for the Javelin bit? Thanks. |
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"fvw" wrote I'm thinking about travel from East Anglia (NXEA) to St Pancras Intnl in August. Is is possible to get off at Stratford Regional and walk to Stratford Intl to pick up the Javelin for a fast run to St Pancras? Is that doable on a standard off-peak saver ticket from NXEA to London terminals, or is a supplement payable for the Javelin bit? I don't think a London Terminals ticket can be used - you'll need to get a ticket to St Pancras International via HS1. At the moment the only way of making the connection at Stratford is to use the free shuttle bus. AIUI the DLR will be running by August, when you'll need to make the connection by DLR. The pedestrian route is still unavailable as it's a building site for the shopping centre. Peter |
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